Bill to Increase Gun Taxes.

[Ranb]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5103/text?r=29

A bill to raise taxes on certain firearms. Guns are already some of the most heavily taxes products in the country; 11% excise tax at the moment.

“SEC. 4181. Imposition of tax.

“There is hereby imposed upon the sale by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of the following articles a tax equivalent to the specified percent of the price for which so sold:

“(1) Articles taxable at 20 percent:
“(A) Pistols.
“(B) Revolvers.
“(C) Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers).
“(D) Any lower frame or receiver for a firearm, whether for a semiautomatic pistol, rifle, or shotgun that is designed to accommodate interchangeable upper receivers.
“(2) Articles taxable at 50 percent: Shells and cartridges.”.

I guess I can save money by purchasing the stripped receiver and then buying the rest of the parts separately. The Feds are exempt of course.

(1) ALLOCATION

(A) Thirty-five percent of such amounts shall be available for community-oriented policing services grants for the hiring and rehiring of additional career law enforcement officers....
(B) Thirty-five percent of such amounts shall be available for the Project Safe Neighborhoods....
(C) Ten percent of such amounts shall be available for the Centers for Disease Control National Center for Injury Prevention and Control for purposes of research on gun violence and its prevention....
(D) Five percent of such amounts shall be available for the National Criminal History Improvement Program....
(E) Five percent of such amounts shall be available for the NICS Act Record Improvement Program....
(F) Five percent for the Community-Based Violence Prevention Field-Initiated Research and Evaluation Program of the Department of Justice....
(G) Five percent of such amounts shall be available for the Secretary of Education to provide directed grants and technical assistance to schools ....

Much better than being used to pay off Trump's whores.

FFL's who pay the SOT to make machine guns and other weapons will see the $1000 tax increase to $2000.

The next part really sucks.

(1) IN GENERAL.—Subsection (a) of section 5811 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended—
(A) by striking “$200” and inserting “$500”; and
(B) by striking “$5” and inserting “$100”.
(2) ADJUSTMENT FOR INFLATION.—Section 5811 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

Hobbyists like myself will pay $500 making tax per firearm instead of the $200 we pay now. There is even a new section to allow adjustment for inflation. The $200 making tax in 1934 would be over $3500 in today's dollars.

 

[casebro]

a) Any chance of it passing in a Repub controlled govt?

b) Hasn't the SCOTUS held that such attempts to infringe violate 2A? NFA '34 was specifically on guns NOT used by individual soldiers.

 

[Ranb]

Seeing as how it is an increase in taxes and not anything really new, I don't see it challenged. I don't think it would pass (in my dreams) a Dem majority either unless the making tax was unchanged.

 

[Cain]

I can't think of anything more tragic than the government increasing taxes on gun-owners.

 

[psionl0]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5103/text?r=29

A bill to raise taxes on certain firearms. Guns are already some of the most heavily taxes products in the country; 11% excise tax at the moment.

“SEC. 4181. Imposition of tax.

“There is hereby imposed upon the sale by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of the following articles a tax equivalent to the specified percent of the price for which so sold:

“(1) Articles taxable at 20 percent:
“(A) Pistols.
“(B) Revolvers.
“(C) Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers).
“(D) Any lower frame or receiver for a firearm, whether for a semiautomatic pistol, rifle, or shotgun that is designed to accommodate interchangeable upper receivers.
“(2) Articles taxable at 50 percent: Shells and cartridges.”.

I guess I can save money by purchasing the stripped receiver and then buying the rest of the parts separately. The Feds are exempt of course.

(1) ALLOCATION

(A) Thirty-five percent of such amounts shall be available for community-oriented policing services grants for the hiring and rehiring of additional career law enforcement officers....
(B) Thirty-five percent of such amounts shall be available for the Project Safe Neighborhoods....
(C) Ten percent of such amounts shall be available for the Centers for Disease Control National Center for Injury Prevention and Control for purposes of research on gun violence and its prevention....
(D) Five percent of such amounts shall be available for the National Criminal History Improvement Program....
(E) Five percent of such amounts shall be available for the NICS Act Record Improvement Program....
(F) Five percent for the Community-Based Violence Prevention Field-Initiated Research and Evaluation Program of the Department of Justice....
(G) Five percent of such amounts shall be available for the Secretary of Education to provide directed grants and technical assistance to schools ....

Much better than being used to pay off Trump's whores.

FFL's who pay the SOT to make machine guns and other weapons will see the $1000 tax increase to $2000.

The next part really sucks.

(1) IN GENERAL.—Subsection (a) of section 5811 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended—
(A) by striking “$200” and inserting “$500”; and
(B) by striking “$5” and inserting “$100”.
(2) ADJUSTMENT FOR INFLATION.—Section 5811 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

Hobbyists like myself will pay $500 making tax per firearm instead of the $200 we pay now. There is even a new section to allow adjustment for inflation. The $200 making tax in 1934 would be over $3500 in today's dollars.
NIMBY!

They should increase taxes on something else instead of guns because I am a gun hobbyist.

ftfy.

 

[Ranb]

psionl0,

Perhaps you can explain how "not in my backyard" pertains to a tax that applies to nearly everyone who owns a gun. I think NIMBY does not mean what you think it means.

 

[Whip]

I don't think tax gets paid on street guns. just sayin'

 

[Ranb]

I don't think tax gets paid on street guns. just sayin'

I've spent years promoting the safe, legal and responsible handling of guns. I'm not about to risk ten years/$10,000 promoting tax evasion on the making tax.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I feel the same about gun control as I do about abortion: either make it illegal entirely or leave it alone forever, stop all these half-assed "wedge" tactics to try to get rid of something that consistently proves un-get-riddable in court. A tremendous waste of everyone's time.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5103/text?r=29

A bill to raise taxes on certain firearms. Guns are already some of the most heavily taxes products in the country; 11% excise tax at the moment.


I guess I can save money by purchasing the stripped receiver and then buying the rest of the parts separately. The Feds are exempt of course.


Much better than being used to pay off Trump's whores.

FFL's who pay the SOT to make machine guns and other weapons will see the $1000 tax increase to $2000.

The next part really sucks.


Hobbyists like myself will pay $500 making tax per firearm instead of the $200 we pay now. There is even a new section to allow adjustment for inflation. The $200 making tax in 1934 would be over $3500 in today's dollars.

There's the argument that these sort of taxes discriminate against the poor. Rich, White, heterosexual, cisgender males will still be able to acquire guns while the disadvantaged working class POC will have to go without. But that is true for all consumer goods. Besides, it's not the rich, White, heterosexual, cisgender male gunowners who are responsible for the majority of our gun related problems.

 

[Ranb]

There's the argument that these sort of taxes discriminate against the poor.....

It could be argued that this bill is in part intended to discriminate against the middle class law abiding gun owner. How often do you hear of a person using their legally possessed NFA firearm to kill someone? Do we really need to keep increasing the taxes on firearms that are worth less than $100 in some cases?

Ranb

 

[plague311]

I pay taxes on my hobbies too. I say tax the hell out of it. Multiple gun makers are filing for bankruptcy and statistics show that less people are buying guns. The people that own guns are buying more of them. No one is forcing anyone to buy guns. If you don't want to pay the taxes then don't buy them. Seems easy as hell to me.

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[Parsman]

It could be argued that this bill is in part intended to discriminate against the middle class law abiding gun owner. How often do you hear of a person using their legally possessed NFA firearm to kill someone? Do we really need to keep increasing the taxes on firearms that are worth less than $100 in some cases?

Ranb

Maybe I don't quite understand Ranb but I thought the killer in Vegas and Parkland were using legally purchased and held guns?

 

[Giz]

I pay taxes on my hobbies too. I say tax the hell out of it. Multiple gun makers are filing for bankruptcy and statistics show that less people are buying guns. The people that own guns are buying more of them. No one is forcing anyone to buy guns. If you don't want to pay the taxes then don't buy them. Seems easy as hell to me.

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Disproportionate taxes on a civil right would seem to fall foul of the same laws that prohibit charging a fee in order to vote.

 

[Ranb]

I pay taxes on my hobbies too..... If you don't want to pay the taxes then don't buy them. Seems easy as hell to me.

If I pay $30 to make a silencer or cut down a rifle barrel to 15" for the price of a hacksaw blade, I'm still required to write a $200 check to the BATFE for each one I make. It's easy as long as I'm willing to pry my wallet open with a crowbar.

Maybe I don't quite understand Ranb but I thought the killer in Vegas and Parkland were using legally purchased and held guns?

He was. His were not NFA firearms, but ordinary rifles. I'm very certain that a higher excise tax on guns was not going to make Paddock think again about his murderous intentions that day.

My main complaint is about the tax for silencers that I make as a hobby going from $200 to $500 if the bill passes. The bill increases the special occupational tax that dealers and manufacturers pay to transfer/make machine guns, silencers, short barreled shotguns/rifles and so on. It puts a 20% tax on all guns, and raises the making tax for NFA firearms from $200 to $500 each.

I respect that you are an engaged citizen, ceaselessly fighting to protect our most sacred hobby. The government should be taxing activities with high-cost negative externalities, not firearms. Everything is drawkcab.

I can't think of anything useful you contributed to a thread in the last few years.

 

[Cain]

I can't think of anything useful you contributed to a thread in the last few years.

I respect that you are an engaged citizen, ceaselessly fighting to protect our most sacred hobby. The government should be taxing activities with high-cost negative externalities, not firearms. Everything is drawkcab.

 

[Meadmaker]

In general, I don't like taxes that target one, specific, sector of the economy unless it is effectively a "use tax", where using the item costs society, so you pay for it. For example, a gasoline tax is a sort of use tax. When you use the roads, they require repair. The more gasoline you use, the more you use the roads, so it makes sense to pay for that.

Guns and ammo are kind of sort of a little like that, but not much. I can't say I'm a fan of this tax proposal. You might be able to convince me that all gun users are paying the cost of gun misuse, which makes a marginal amount of sense, but it's stretching things.

Moreover, I don't like politicians who propose a tax on something because that thing has gotten a bunch of bad press lately. It's grandstanding, rather than addressing any actual problem.

 

[Meadmaker]

Disproportionate taxes on a civil right would seem to fall foul of the same laws that prohibit charging a fee in order to vote.

One could argue that they fall afoul of the same principle, but, legally, there is a difference. The "law" that prohibits charging a fee in order to vote is actually a constitutional amendment. In other words, charging a fee in order to vote is specifically prohibited in the constitution, and has been since some time in the 1960s, I believe. Until then, it was perfectly ok for states to charge people to vote, and some places did so.

Charging a fee for bullets and guns is not specifically prohibited in the constitution, so this tax would pass constitutional muster with no issues.

 

[fuelair]

I respect that you are an engaged citizen, ceaselessly fighting to protect our most sacred hobby. The government should be taxing activities with high-cost negative externalities, not firearms. Everything is drawkcab.

Usually that last word is spelled sdrawkcab. I know since I first met it in an SF story and saw it a few times since. The SF story was from the late 50's or very early 60s

 

[BobTheCoward]

Grossjean v American press and Minneapolis Star tribune v. Commissioner are the cases that address taxes imposed on a civil right can be unconstitutional.