Bill Maher the anti-vaccinator

[RichardR]

I refer to this thread discussing Bill Maher's anti-vax comments last night. Maher also spouted the "cures the symptoms not the disease" B.S.

I scooted over to Maher's chatroom: http://boards.billmaher.com/showfla...=594803&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

A lot of anti-vax nonsense being spouted. Example:

I am afraid that you are out of your element. You have not done your homework and simply just repeating what you have heard. That is called PBS. Parrot Brain Syndrome. You hear something and repeat it without doing any kind of research or investigation.

There is not a single shred of evidence that a vaccine "cured" small pox or polio. In fact small pox was decreasing before they introduced the vaccine and the vaccine actually caused more small pox.

Polio was the same. It was also decreasing before the introduction of the vaccine. It should also be noted that WHO (World Health Organization) recommended (I believe in 1967) that polio be changed to spiral meningitis at the time of the introduction of the vaccine. That way it appeared that the vaccine had "cured" polio when in fact the diagnosis was changed to a different name and obviously no or very few cases were reported of Polio.

Do you have any idea how toxic vaccines are? Do you have any idea what they contain?

Here is a list of popular ingredients:

1. Formaldehyde.
2. Mercury.
3. Aluminum.
4. Cow blood.
5. Dead tissue from aborted babies and animals.
6. Chicken and human embryo.
7. Antibiotics.

While I am skeptical that the flu vaccine is as useful as advertised, the general anti-vax posture is dangerous. Does anyone want to go over there and disabuse them of this crap? I'm not sure if I have the time or energy.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

I don't know if any of them will listen to us. Bill Maher has spoken.

 

[geni]

It's quite a good debate. Provacine has a destinct edge at the moment.

 

[TeaBag420]

"Do you have any idea how toxic vaccines are? Do you have any idea what they contain?

Here is a list of popular ingredients:

1. Formaldehyde.
2. Mercury.
3. Aluminum.
4. Cow blood.
5. Dead tissue from aborted babies and animals.
6. Chicken and human embryo.
7. Antibiotics."

Sounds like food to me. Formaldehyde: produced by my own body; mercury: fish; aluminum: gotta be in something, I hope?; cow blood: talk to the Dinka about that one, and I'll take my burger rare, please; #5: I bite my nails and pick my scabs; #6: eggs, and see #5 above; #7: REALLY? VACCINES CONTAIN ANTIBIOTICS? Prove it.

Too bad vaccines don't contain zinc, selenium, or arsenic (cures syphillis).

 

[Frostbite]

I personally will only get vaccine shots if the illness is lethal. We've had a bad case of meningitis a couple of years back and I got my shots. Otherwise, I'll be glad to get the yearly flu cause my lifestyle allows me to go through a couple days of fighting the illness with my own antibodies.

 

[Dragon]

I personally will only get vaccine shots if the illness is lethal. We've had a bad case of meningitis a couple of years back and I got my shots. Otherwise, I'll be glad to get the yearly flu cause my lifestyle allows me to go through a couple days of fighting the illness with my own antibodies.

Who's antibodies do you think you get after vaccination?

NB If you really get the 'flu (in contrast to a bad head cold) you can expect to be hors de combat for at least four days.

 

[The Don]

If you catch 'flu annually, you are very unlucky, I've had it once in my life at age 19, I was in bed for 3 weeks and lost 35lbs. Prior to that experience I thought I'd had a lot of 'flu, since that experience I realised that I get a bad cold every couple of years.

I now understand how the pandemic of 1919 could have killed so many. Had I been "vulnerable" it could conceiveably have seen me off.

 

[Benguin]

Is mercury in fish normally or are they just quite susceptible to picking it up when it gets into the environment? I thought most contemporary cases of mercury poisoning where down to fish consumption ...

Which is beside the point ... even where vaccines do contain these substances it is of no relevance unless the woo crowd can identify the amounts contained relative to a dangerous level, or even relative to levels we encounter in routine living.

We regularly establish they have a very poor grasp of statistics in relation to probability and risk, but don't seem to be able to explain it to them, even the ones who come and talk to us on here.

 

[geni]

aluminum: gotta be in something, I hope?

Yes those little silver balls you sometimes see on the tops of cakes.

 

[rebecca]

Is mercury in fish normally or are they just quite susceptible to picking it up when it gets into the environment? I thought most contemporary cases of mercury poisoning where down to fish consumption ...

Not to help drive this off-topic, but I don't think mercury is naturally found in fish. They pick it up in the water, and it moves up through the food chain so that some of the larger fish can end up with dangerous doses of it in their system, which is why some of those larger fish should not be eaten often, or not be eaten at all by pregnant women.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

I think that sometimes when people get "the flu," they actually have food poisoning.

~~ Paul

 

[RichardR]

It's quite a good debate. Provacine has a destinct edge at the moment.

Some Jack Nicholson wannabe calling himself "You Can't Handle The Truth" is saying in all seriousness that viruses don't cause illness. This is the same person who accuses everyone else of not knowing what they are talking about and being out of their league.

It's good to be reminded, occasionally, of the (generally) high standard of debate that exists on this forum, compared with most others.

 

[Benguin]

Some Jack Nicholson wannabe calling himself "You Can't Handle The Truth" is saying in all seriousness that viruses don't cause illness. This is the same person who accuses everyone else of not knowing what they are talking about and being out of their league.

It's good to be reminded, occasionally, of the (generally) high standard of debate that exists on this forum, compared with most others.

Can you go ask him what the raison d'etre of a virus is then?

 

[Frostbite]

Who's antibodies do you think you get after vaccination?

NB If you really get the 'flu (in contrast to a bad head cold) you can expect to be hors de combat for at least four days.

They're my antibodies, but dead or weakened viruses. I'd rather kick a real virus's ass. And if I can get a couple days off too, it's just great. Getting sick is underrated.

 

[Benguin]

They're my antibodies, but dead or weakened viruses. I'd rather kick a real virus's ass. And if I can get a couple days off too, it's just great. Getting sick is underrated.

When I was younger I went with that thinking.

There are people for whom for all sorts of reasons that approach is not safe.

 

[RichardR]

Can you go ask him what the raison d'etre of a virus is then?

I'm not sure if he believes they even exist.

Anyway, does a virus have a raison d'etre, other than to continue to propogate its genes?

 

[Rolfe]

Can you go ask him what the raison d'etre of a virus is then?

Watch it, birdie! You're beginning to sound like Kumar. (I agree with RichardR.)

Rolfe.

 

[KFCA]

I'd always thought that I'd had my one case of the flu in my 67 years back in December of 1957 (when I was 20) as a very vurilent form of flu swept the world that year. I was sicker than a dog, but only for 3 or 4 days. That particular year for flu deaths wasn't even close to the 1918 flu pandemic (BTW, my maternal grandfather & one of his children died in that pandemic), but I think it's rated about #3.

No matter. Subsequently, & many years later, after reading usual flu symptoms, I realize what I more likely had was a bad touch of food poisoning...I had eaten by myself at a cafe the night before while Christmas shopping, which was why probably nobody else in our large family in a very small apartment joined me in my illness.

 

[Benguin]

Watch it, birdie! You're beginning to sound like Kumar. (I agree with RichardR.)

Rolfe.

OK, fair enough, bad use of words. Would we even know or care about them if they were doing that and producing no ill effects? As Richard said, if he doesn't believe in them then its a pointless question.

Are there any viruses going around that do not have a detrimental side-effect?

 

[geni]

Are there any viruses going around that do not have a detrimental side-effect?

Yes the ones that target bacteria.