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Bill Gate's dance of semantics

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I was reading an article the other day about Bill Gates nostalgia in the face of his impending retirement. One of the things it touched on was part of his deposition to the prosecuting attorney in the antitrust case against Microsoft. This testimony infuriated the prosecutor and had the judge laughing and shaking his head in court because of the perceived extreme evasiveness of Gates.

Part of his testimony:

Q. Now, let's say that you meant browser usage because that's what your testimony is. What browser usage were you talking about in terms of what your share of browser usage was? What browsers?

A. I'm not getting your question. Are you trying to ask what I was thinking when I wrote this sentence?

Q. Let me begin with that. What were you thinking when you --

A. I don't remember specifically writing this sentence.

Q. Does that mean you can't answer what you were thinking when you wrote the sentence?

A. That's correct.

Q. So since you don't have an answer to that question, let me put a different question.

A. I have an answer. The answer is I don't remember.

Q. You don't remember what you meant. Let me try to ask you --

A. I don't remember what I was thinking.

Q. Is there a difference between remembering what you were thinking and remembering what you meant?

A. If the question is what I meant when I wrote it, no.

Q. So you don't remember what you were thinking when you wrote it and you don't remember what you meant when you wrote it; is that fair?

A. As well as not remember writing it. . . .

Q. What non-Microsoft browsers were you concerned about in January of 1996?

A. I don't know what you mean ''concerned.''

Q. What is it about the word ''concerned'' that you don't understand?

A. I'm not sure what you mean by it.

Q. Is --

A. Is there a document where I use that term?

Q. Is the term ''concerned'' a term that you're familiar with in the English language?

A. Yes.

Q. Does it have a meaning that you're familiar with?
A. Yes.

Q. Using the word ''concerned'' consistent with the normal meaning that it has in the English language, what Microsoft -- or what non-Microsoft browsers were you concerned about in January of 1996?

A. Well, I think I would have been concerned about Internet Explorer, what was going on with it. We would have been looking at other browsers that were in use at the time. Certainly Navigator was one of those. And I don't know which browser AOL was using at the time, but it was another browser.

Reading this, I couldn't help feeling a little sympathy for Bill. Since I've gotten into the technology business, I find myself becoming increasingly irritated by the inability of most people to be precise in their words, either spoken or written. No doubt, this is due to my constant envelopment in software code, which requires a level of precision that most people don't have to deal with. If, for instance, you want to excise a certain set of characters of arbitrary length from an arbitrary position in a larger set of characters, also of arbitrary length, you must tell the computer EXACTLY what you want, including each individual rule it must follow to perform the task (start with the first space in the string, find the next space after that, see if there are any dashes or apostrophes, etc., etc) from beginning to end. A human can do this same task with minimal effort, without really thinking about it, by recognizing the patterns. Except for AI, most software programs can't.

The point is, being immersed in this kind of thinking can begin to change the way you perceive verbal exchanges in the real world.

Take the divisive word "concerned". The attorney was clearly annoyed that Gates wanted clarification on this word. However, think about the fact that Gates is both a manager and a software architect. In management, a "concern" is something that is broken and needs to be fixed; in software architecture, it is a set of related tasks that must be completed.

Perhaps he should have been able to derive the exact meaning from the context of the sentence. However, it is difficult for non-technical people to understand the mental fog you can get into by thinking about software all day. It's tough to shift gears and start thinking about the real world.

In the boardroom, Gates no doubt has people trained to communicate with him in a certain way that emphasizes precision of thought. Being grilled by an unfamiliar person in an unfamiliar setting may have put him at a severe disadvantage.

Can any of you technical people out there relate to what I'm saying? Does the abstract world of software semantics begin to spill into your "normal" life, or is it just me?

Does Bill Gates deserve the benefit of the doubt here?
 
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I relate, though Bill doesn't seem to be making a particular effort to communicate. For example, he could have said something along the lines of "concerned could mean X or it could mean Y here, and I'm not sure what you are getting at." I find myself sticking on words like this too, because I tend not to just listen to what a person says, but try to anticipate where they are going. Speech is so slow that it is pretty boring to do, so the mind tries to find something to do while talking. Making a model of the cognitive state of the speaker is a great diversion.

Between writing code and reading/writing specifications all day, you better believe that I tease out every possible meaning of all terms. The quotes above isn't too different from a lot of the conversations I have with my girlfriend, to her considerable chagrin.
 
I'm not a lawyer, but I can tell you that every attorney never asks a question without knowing what he wants to elicite as an answer. It is not a search for the truth. So the use of "concerned" was meant to begin a process to corner Gates as a monopolizer, not a competitor.
 
I'm not a lawyer, but I can tell you that every attorney never asks a question without knowing what he wants to elicite as an answer. It is not a search for the truth. So the use of "concerned" was meant to begin a process to corner Gates as a monopolizer, not a competitor.

Very possibly.

I think another factor may have been that Gates' own lawyers would have prepared him for the deposition. I am sure that whatever instructions they gave him he would have slavishly followed in the course of the questioning.
 
It is not Bill's job to clarify the question, that is the questioner's job; neither is it Bill's responsibility to make opposing counsel's job easier - quite the contrary in fact.
 
It is not Bill's job to clarify the question, that is the questioner's job; neither is it Bill's responsibility to make opposing counsel's job easier - quite the contrary in fact.

Yep, I think we may have had an attorney trying to hide the true agenda of his questions, going up against a witness determined to obfuscate the answers.

Hilarity ensues. Or at least a very long, boring deposition.
 
The other dimension here is that everyone is selecting words to paint a certain mood and overall picture, rather than just trying to explain something in common English. I got the impression that both individuals above were aware of this, good at it, and doing their best to select those words that painted their side in the best light.
 
Just a semantics argument from today's top robber baron. The Windows monopoly really pisses me off.

Their level of market share and their business tactics are not for the most part a problem. The insistance of schools teching microsoft rather than computeing is.
 
Their level of market share and their business tactics are not for the most part a problem. The insistance of schools teching microsoft rather than computeing is.

That's just ignorance of their tactics. Demanding that Gateway use IE on their INTRANET instead of IE? Then charging them an extra $2 per Windows license for not complying?

Only a monopoly could get away with that.
 
That's just ignorance of their tactics. Demanding that Gateway use IE on their INTRANET instead of IE? Then charging them an extra $2 per Windows license for not complying?

Only a monopoly could get away with that.

Mein gott! IE instead of IE? Those fiends! :D
 
Reading this, I couldn't help feeling a little sympathy for Bill. Since I've gotten into the technology business, I find myself becoming increasingly irritated by the inability of most people to be precise in their words, either spoken or written. No doubt, this is due to my constant envelopment in software code, which requires a level of precision that most people don't have to deal with. If, for instance, you want to excise a certain set of characters of arbitrary length from an arbitrary position in a larger set of characters, also of arbitrary length, you must tell the computer EXACTLY what you want, including each individual rule it must follow to perform the task (start with the first space in the string, find the next space after that, see if there are any dashes or apostrophes, etc., etc) from beginning to end. A human can do this same task with minimal effort, without really thinking about it, by recognizing the patterns. Except for AI, most software programs can't.

The point is, being immersed in this kind of thinking can begin to change the way you perceive verbal exchanges in the real world.

Take the divisive word "concerned". The attorney was clearly annoyed that Gates wanted clarification on this word. However, think about the fact that Gates is both a manager and a software architect. In management, a "concern" is something that is broken and needs to be fixed; in software architecture, it is a set of related tasks that must be completed.

Perhaps he should have been able to derive the exact meaning from the context of the sentence. However, it is difficult for non-technical people to understand the mental fog you can get into by thinking about software all day. It's tough to shift gears and start thinking about the real world.

In the boardroom, Gates no doubt has people trained to communicate with him in a certain way that emphasizes precision of thought. Being grilled by an unfamiliar person in an unfamiliar setting may have put him at a severe disadvantage.

Can any of you technical people out there relate to what I'm saying? Does the abstract world of software semantics begin to spill into your "normal" life, or is it just me?

Does Bill Gates deserve the benefit of the doubt here?

No. He was being as evasive as he possibly could, short of contempt of court. He's no dummy when it comes to the legal stuff; indeed I'd say that his legal and business skills far outstrip his software skills. We all know how he stitched up IBM with the MS-DOS agreement, and IBM were well known to be the sharpest operators in the computer world (perhaps in the entire business world).

As for semantics and precise language, I'm sorry but I have to point out that his name is not Bill Gate, as implied in the subject line. His name is Gates, and the possessive is Gates's. "Gate's" would refer to something pertaining to someone called Gate. ;)

(Not only have I been in IT for many years, but I'm a pedant too! :D)
 
i'd Say That His Legal And Business Skills Far Outstrip His Software Skills. We All Know How He Stitched Up Ibm With The Ms-dos Agreement, And Ibm Were Well Known To Be The Sharpest Operators In The Computer World (perhaps In The Entire Business World).
Qfft.
 
He's no dummy when it comes to the legal stuff; indeed I'd say that his legal and business skills far outstrip his software skills.

I find it ironic that Bill made his mark in the software industry by writing the sort of efficient, compact code that the feeble hardware of the time demanded. Now his company turns out the most elephantine bloatware in history.
 
As for semantics and precise language, I'm sorry but I have to point out that his name is not Bill Gate, as implied in the subject line. His name is Gates, and the possessive is Gates's. "Gate's" would refer to something pertaining to someone called Gate. ;)

Obviously, the subject like was referring to a different person; the subject of a very pertinent anecdote of which only I am familiar.

Besides, it really depends on your interpretation of the word "semantics".

;)
 
I find it ironic that Bill made his mark in the software industry by writing the sort of efficient, compact code that the feeble hardware of the time demanded. Now his company turns out the most elephantine bloatware in history.
It depends on what you think he wrote, as opposed to bought from elsewhere. ;)
 

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