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Bigfoot phenomenon solved! No more mystery, only misery for footers.

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River

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This is the real explanation for the phenomenon. I challenge anyone (skeptic or woomeister) to prove this to be wrong. We have for very long given the opportunity for woomeisters to prove their assertions. Here is what the claimed "evidence for bigfoot" actually proves. We have many examples of each of these. All bigfoot resolved claims fit into one of these three categories.

This is bigfoot:

1) Hoaxers/liars/storytellers
2) Deluded individuals (by intoxication, or mental illness, etc)
3) Occasionally mistaken identity


Footers don't like the answer? Too bad. Reality is not one of the strong points to being a bigfooter. I challenge you to put up or shut up. Bigfoot is no longer a mystery. We know what bigfoot really is now.
 
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I think number 2 could be expanded to include brain perturbances like highway hallucination, hypnagogia, etc., which do not necessarily indicate a clinical condition.
 
Reversal of the burden of proof. :D

If necessary examples can be provided for each category. You know as well as I do this challenge was extended to prove a point. (point being that it's true!) I sincerely doubt there will be any contesting this amongst reasonably minded folks.

Lying, impaired, or accidentally wrong. Yep, that's it in a nutshell.

Following the evidence seems to be a very difficult task for the footers. I thought I'd help out by pointing this out.

I think number 2 could be expanded to include brain perturbances like highway hallucination, hypnagogia, etc., which do not necessarily indicate a clinical condition.

Perhaps, but that could also fall into mistaken identity or deluded depending on if they may have seen a stump or tree, or simply imagined it. Either way, it's definitely a mental tick or your mind fooling you which could be defined as deluded. I'll add "etc" so that the full definition of deluded could be used without limiting it to those two.
 
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I think number 2 could be expanded to include brain perturbances like highway hallucination, hypnagogia, etc., which do not necessarily indicate a clinical condition.

I agree. Hallucination is a known and documented phenomenon of the human mind, and does not only occur in mentally impaired persons. Stress, lack of sleep, regional expectation or belief, and the mysterious nature of hypnagogic "wake-dreaming" can occur even in sane individuals.

ETA: The word hallucination has a distinct dictionary denotation, separate from delusion. #2 could/should be re-labelled "Delusion and hallucination (including by intoxication, mental illness, hypnagogia or other factors)". Just a thought.
 
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I agree. Hallucination is a known and documented phenomenon of the human mind, and does not only occur in mentally impaired persons. Stress, lack of sleep, regional expectation or belief, and the mysterious nature of hypnagogic "wake-dreaming" can occur even in sane individuals.

ETA: The word hallucination has a distinct dictionary denotation, separate from delusion. #2 could/should be re-labelled "Delusion and hallucination (including by intoxication, mental illness, hypnagogia or other factors)". Just a thought.


Deluded certainly is a vague term. It could include a lot of those things and others. I think that some of the factors you've listed have been mentioned as possible causes to hallucinations that involved bigfoot. One can be quite sane and intoxicated and have the same effect. The mind is a tricky thing, in that we can easily be fooled. (especially under the right conditions) I could also include a lot of other things in the first category as well, but tried to keep it fairly simple. Deluded would by definition include those things you've listed, but I agree that a deeper definition would include all of those things you mentioned and more.
 
Those are all valid categories. If you've been researching the phenomenon for a while, then you probably know that of the three listed, the first category (hoaxers/story-tellers) has the majority of claims.

While I can't prove that River's claim of all of them fitting into those three categories is false, I can give reasons for why I believe it's not true.

When it comes to sightings, I find that BFRO reports are convenient as their approximate locations are placed on a Google Earth layout, making them valuable for research purposes. Of the ones published, I think that at least 80% of them don’t fit into any of the three categories listed in this thread. This is based on the patterns and trends I've seen on Google earth.

One of the first things that one notices when looking at the sighting reports is the number of reports coming out of the PNW. If you take Washington state for example and compare it to North Carolina, you’ll notice that NC has a higher population by about 2 million, yet it has less than 1/6 of the reports. One could claim that Washington state simply has more people who tell stories, but if you look at Oregon, you’ll see that it has a similar sightings to population ratio.

Washington – 597 : 7,000,000
Oregon - 241 : 4,000,000

North Carolina – 90 : 9,900,000
Kentucky – 101 : 4,400,000

I've gone through many of the sightings in the PNW in search of signs of phony story-telling (like what one would expect from a hoax) and found that a lot of them aren't dramatic in the least bit and don’t even include any sort of obvious visual. They lack what I have personally come to know as indications of story-telling (I've become pretty good at identifying hoaxes), so I can’t say with any sort of confidence that a large portion of the reports are the result of story-telling.

Two other interesting things I’ve noticed is the timing of the reports and the specific locations of the reports. The Ouachita National Forest is a good example of where for some reason, reports continue to come out of one area, yet other areas don’t seem to have any:

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On the map, the number of reports between April to September is only 6, while the number of reports between October to March is 19. This unevenness is something I would expect from an actual population of animals that is trying to survive.

A seasonal mass hallucination would be more likely than every report fitting into one of the three categories listed here. Even more likely than that though (in my opinion), is that there's an actual animal behind many of the reports.

Contrary to what many denialists like to convince themselves of here, these animals leave signs (tree breaks, rock throws, unidentifiable vocalizations, unrecognizable smell, strange deer kills, nut cracking stations, tracks ect.). The problem is that all of these things can be attributed to something else (known animals including humans). They are things that people come across every day in forests, but don’t suspect that anything as crazy as Sasquatch could be responsible for, which is understandable. Even their bodies have roughly the same proportions as us, making anything other than National Geographic quality footage pretty much useless. The PGF for instance, as clear as some of its frames are, is still debated to this day for that very reason. All of this makes the evidence for the existence of Bigfoot unconvincing.

So basically, there are signs that this animal exists. All that's left is for a body or part of a body to turn up...
 
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The signs it leaves are all attributable to something else, yes.

So you are saying that Bigfoot's existence is indistinguishable from its non-existence.
 
Contrary to what many denialists like to convince themselves of here, these animals leave signs (tree breaks, rock throws, unidentifiable vocalizations, unrecognizable smell, strange deer kills, nut cracking stations, tracks ect.).


Something leaves these signs, certainly, but "these animals" (i.e., Bigfoot)? How do you know this?

The problem is that all of these things can be attributed to something else (known animals including humans).


Well, exactly.

"tree breaks, rock throws, unidentifiable vocalizations, unrecognizable smell, strange deer kills, nut cracking stations, tracks" are evidence of Bigfoot...for people who believe in Bigfoot, just as rainstorms are evidence of invisible sky fairies...for people who believe that raindrops are actually the tears of said sky fairies. There are, alas, other, more mundane explanations for water droplets...or tree breaks, rock throws, unidentifiable vocalizations, etc.

If I subscribe to the cloud theory of raindrops, does that make me an "invisible sky fairy denialist"? We're all (even you) "denialists" of some things. In terms of Bigfootery, Skeptics simply deny the existence of one more thing than you do. For us to realize we are wrong, all it takes is one specimen, living or dead. Easy-peasy, right?

What would it take for you to realize you are wrong? Hmmm? Now whose standards of evidence are unreasonable?
 
It's extremely convenient to attribute any naturally occurring phenomenon to footie. The inconvenient problem for proponents is there is no footie to corroborate.

Anywhere, anytime.

Talk about denialists, these folks deny everyday reality.
 
The signs it leaves are all attributable to something else, yes.

So you are saying that Bigfoot's existence is indistinguishable from its non-existence.

Yes. It'd be hard to tell the difference without spending serious time in a location where they actually reside.

If I subscribe to the cloud theory of raindrops, does that make me an "invisible sky fairy denialist"? We're all (even you) "denialists" of some things. In terms of Bigfootery, Skeptics simply deny the existence of one more thing than you do. For us to realize we are wrong, all it takes is one specimen, living or dead. Easy-peasy, right?

The problem with that is that things such fairies or Santa Claus can't be supported by modern science. An intelligent relict species of bipedal hominid on the other hand can still be considered an open question. I agree that one specimen is all it would take for the species to be finally recognized as real by mainstream science.
 
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