BICH BA DO, QiGong Master

steenkh

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The proposed protocol works with the idea that a blinded test person should distinguish between the QiGong Master and a "dud". I think that there is to great a risk that the "dud" (dude?) will move in different ways from the QiGong man, like for instance, moving closer than the QiGong man, or not moving as close, moving faster, or not so fast, and that the test person can sense this.

What if the QiGong master is instructed to fill both roles? So that he will use his QiGong "energy" soem of the time and not on other times (as determined randomly just before each trial). The problem will now move to preventing the test person to pick up clues as to whether the QiGong man is using QiGong or not, but I think it could be limited greatly if the test person is not just blinded but is also listnening to music in ear phones. When there is only a single person approaching the test person, differences in body temperature, and movements will not be of importance, and if he makes the same movements (as can be documented on video), the test person cannot know which set of movements are the right ones, even if he makes slight differences when using QiGong or not.

The worst situation would be when the test person can feel a difference (that is not paranormal), and so makes a guess as to whether there is QiGong at work or not. But this situation is not different from when there are two persons involved: here the test person can also make a guess as to which of the two is using QiGong.

I simply think that it will be more difficult to distinguish if there is only the single QiGong master involved.

But of course it all depends on whether the QiGong master thinks he can hold back his abilities at will or if the QiGong will flow whenever he is doing the same kind of movements!
 
Qigong practitioners supposedly cultivate qi, so yes - they are supposedly able to withhold or issue energy. Also, qigong people will tell you that even untrained people can issue qi.

I have no idea how you could prove or disprove this without leaving some kind of loophole open.
 
I think letting him bring his own subjects is a bad idea. He could easily set up a signal of some sort to identify himself vs. the substitute, or himself using qi vs. himself not using it. Far too easy to cheat.
 
This claim is easily testable by using a variable electrical power source. A small voltage can be applied accross two fingers on the same hand, safely producing the sensation of pain. Such devices are used to measure an individual's threshold of pain.

A person's pain threshold could be measured before the application of QiGong, and after, to see if Mr. Bich has any effect.
 
I just feel a little iffy about using the alleviation of pain as the test since we would need to be taking somebody's word on whether or not they feel less pain. Also, I'm sure "pain" in general is much more succeptable to the placebo affect than an actual ailment. This guy claims he can cure other illnesses. I think it would be a better test if they were to use an actual illness for which they can test and definitively tell whether or not the person has been cured.
 
I think letting him bring his own subjects is a bad idea. He could easily set up a signal of some sort to identify himself vs. the substitute, or himself using qi vs. himself not using it. Far too easy to cheat.

I agree with this idea. Then it would not matter if the 'treatment' between the substitute and the QiGong master were completely different. The subjects would not know which one is the real test. We would just need to train the substitute person how to give some treatment and make it look real. Get him to practice on his (and others) friends first

The only issue is that we would need to find some subjects. Maybe an ad in the paper? Just do not explain to the subjects about double blind tests. Just say we have two people who claim they can reduce pain and we want to test their ability to reduce pain.

Kramer should also have asked for 3 statements from people the QiGong master has already treated.
 

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