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Ed Beyond misinformation

MileHighMadness said:
New booklet from AE 9/11 Truth...looks like another scam to get donations.

http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=d03bf3ffcac549c7dc7888ef5&id=876ebb6658&e=[UNIQID]

I'm going wait by my mailbox until my free copy arrives :rolleyes:
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Producing 20,000 high-quality copies of this booklet and mailing them to 20,000 lucky recipients will cost us $50,000. At just $2.50 apiece, it’s incredibly cost-effective — and we're confident we can raise that amount because so many of us are willing and ready to support this kind of outreach.
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That's a lot of money for a pretty new bow..........

:rolleyes:
 
We also want you to have a copy to show everyone you know! That's why, with a donation of $30 or more between now and July 15th, you will receive your own Beyond Misinformation booklet in the mail this September. Together, we will blanket the A/E community and our own communities with the evidence about what happened at the World Trade Center on 9/11.

Will you be a part of our most important September 2015 project?!
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:rolleyes:
 
DGM, that's my impression too. Could be Gage trying to minimize the FEMA & NIST effort by under reporting the number of those who worked on them. Also needs to remain smaller because the more involved, the more questions arise why none of them blow the whistle.

One wonders how the 250 will regard this flier that will basically accuse them of being involved in the cover up of mass murder and treason.
 
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So the $2.50 a piece (including shipping) high-quality booklet will cost someone $30.00 or more? What a bargain.

I bet you will be able to download the thing from the website for free.
 
A booklet for $2.50 each is rather cheap. That is only 5 cents per page. Then there is postage costs on top. I guess they have not taken that into account.
 
2.5 dollars production costs for a little book of some 50 pages at an amount of 20.000 pieces is..... excessive to say the least.
One would expect an integral binding with a hard cover of some kind with those prices. Only integral binding is hardly doable with only 50 pages (52 to be exact) to work with.
 
erwinl said:
2.5 dollars production costs for a little book of some 50 pages at an amount of 20.000 pieces is..... excessive to say the least.
One would expect an integral binding with a hard cover of some kind with those prices. Only integral binding is hardly doable with only 50 pages (52 to be exact) to work with.
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There would be 13 pieces of A3 paper required to make this book. One of which is the cover made of cardboard. They would also need a dollar for postage and maybe 50c for the the envelope and address label. This budget would only have a $1 or so for printing. This I am sure is not enough money.
 
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I think this is what AE911Truth should concentrate on from now on. That is to say getting their message to qualified professionals rather than the lay public. I know a lot of people disagree with me but I think we can't really say how many qualified professionals think a new investigation is justified because we don't know how many of them are actually aware of the objections to the so-called 'official explanation'.

If AE911Truth concentrate on getting this information to the relevant professionals then we will know that they are aware of the objections to the 'official' account and the numbers of signatories of the AE911Truth petition will become more meaningful.

I've said in the past that there should be an opposing petition against a new investigation where people would sign something like, 'I have read and understood all the points put forward by AE911Truth and do not agree that they lead to the conclusion that the WTC buildings were destroyed by a controlled demolition. I therefore do not believe a new investigation is justified.'

At the moment all we have is a 'default position' argument where we infer the above by the fact that person A hasn't signed the AE911Truth position, but this inference is not justified despite many people's insistence that scientists and particularly professional engineers are immune to intellectual lazyness and so couldn't possibly have failed to think about the details of the collapses.
 
rjh01 said:
There would be 13 pieces of A3 paper required to make this book. One of which is the cover made of cardboard. They would also need a dollar for postage and maybe 50c for the the envelope and address label. This budget would only have a $1 or so for printing. This I am sure is not enough money.
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Pure production costs would be 1,5 euro's per book. That is including sealing each in plastic foil, needing only an address sticker on it for sending. No need for envelopes :)
 
Georgio said:
I've said in the past that there should be an opposing petition against a new investigation where people would sign something like, 'I have read and understood all the points put forward by AE911Truth and do not agree that they lead to the conclusion that the WTC buildings were destroyed by a controlled demolition. I therefore do not believe a new investigation is justified.'
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The problem with this sort of response is that it dignifies an intellectually bankrupt argument. Project Steve is probably the best model for a response, except that it's only funny the first time.

Dave
 
Georgio said:
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If AE911Truth concentrate on getting this information to the relevant professionals then we will know that they are aware of the objections to the 'official' account and the numbers of signatories of the AE911Truth petition will become more meaningful.
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I disagree.
Unless you come up with a reasonable definition of who the "relevant" professionals are. Do you think of all civil and structural engineers and all architects? I'd disagree with that broad approach. I'd limit this to all those who are actually responsible for the safety of highrise designes, as researchers, university teachers, people who do codes and investigations for building structures, and those who are actually in the business of planning and erecting such structures.

Such as the engineering departments at Delft, MIT...
Such as the proferssional journals and the associations of structural engineering
Such as those who publish in the structural and fire engineering journals
Such as the National Institutes for Standards
Such as the Institutes of Architects
Such as lobby groups for tall buildings and urban habitat.

But wait - all these groups are among those already on record as rejecting the truther lore!
So who cares if your neighborhood architects who does cool bungalows on the beach is fooled by Gage's tall tales? He is not relevant.



I propose that most architects and many civil engineers, not to speak of all the non-construction engineers, aren't familiar on any detail level with the facts of 9/11 and the "official" story. If you infuse them with the "objections to the 'official' account", you need to also infuse them first with the 'official' account, and then the objections to these objections.
It feels silly to even write this.
 
Oystein said:
But wait - all these groups are among those already on record as rejecting the truther lore!
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I'm talking about individuals rather than statements made on behalf of professional groups. You don't have to like eating KFC in order to work for KFC, or think that PCs are better than Macs in order to work for Microsoft, but statements on behalf of both companies wouldn't include anything about KFC or Microsoft stuff not being the very best option. I'd like to hear what relevantly qualified individuals think, and to know that they have been made aware of the information. This would really make the number of AE911Truth signatories meaningful, and nobody could say, 'They're not aware of the information'.
 
911 truth is a fraud, based on the ignorance of the followers. A lairs faith based ignorance celebration fest based on delusions.
Gage has idiots who sign up, and they have no clue and will take no action - gee, Gage's followers' peers include the Boston bombers and failed old men with delusions.


MISINFORMATION: What Science Says about the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7.
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Gage has no clue what science is.
 
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jaydeehess said:
One wonders how the 250 will regard this flier that will basically accuse them of being involved in the cover up of mass murder and treason.
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Would this even make a bleep on their radar?
 
Georgio said:
I'm talking about individuals rather than statements made on behalf of professional groups. You don't have to like eating KFC in order to work for KFC, or think that PCs are better than Macs in order to work for Microsoft, but statements on behalf of both companies wouldn't include anything about KFC or Microsoft stuff not being the very best option.
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You're missing the rather important point that the relationship between a professional organisation and its members is fundamentally different to that between a company and its employees.

Dave
 
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