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Random Searches On Boston Trains

(CBS/AP) Transit police will begin randomly stopping riders on Boston's subways and commuter trains next month to search their bags and packages, a procedure transportation officials say was largely prompted by the March 11 train bombings in Spain.

The new policy — the first in the United States — is set to be in place for July's Democratic National Convention in the city, transit Police Chief Joseph Carter told The Boston Globe newspaper for a story in Tuesday editions.

The program will include explosives-sniffing dogs and all 247 uniformed Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority police officers, he said.
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Certain posters who enjoy a little "smoke" now and then better watch out. I have a feeling those dogs aren't just looking for explosives.
 
:Last time I was on the T a dog came up and sniffed me. Did I say dog? Cause it was a rat.


You no longer have any privacy when you step into public. God forbid you're in a car, cause your rights fly out the window.
 
Tmy said:
:Last time I was on the T a dog came up and sniffed me. Did I say dog? Cause it was a rat.


You no longer have any privacy when you step into public. God forbid you're in a car, cause your rights fly out the window.
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That's not the only thing flying out the window. The other day I was driving down 93 to work, and the guy ahead of me threw a Dunkin Donuts cup out the window. I guess the threat of a $500 fine doesn't bother some people.
 
"Transit police will begin randomly stopping riders on Boston's subways and commuter trains next month to search their bags and packages, a procedure transportation officials say was largely prompted by the March 11 train bombings in Spain.

The new policy — the first in the United States —"

:rolleyes:
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This 'new' policy of random searches of persons passing through control points on government property has been in use for decades, and upheld by the courts.
 
shemp said:
Random Searches On Boston Trains



Certain posters who enjoy a little "smoke" now and then better watch out. I have a feeling those dogs aren't just looking for explosives.
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The slippery slope leads to randomly stopping drivers on Federal, State and locally owned roads to search their bags and packages.
 
United States v. Drayton, 536 U.S. ___ (U.S. Sup. Ct. No. 01-631) (6/17/2002).
[1] Search and seizure -- no "seizure" of bus passengers, under totality of circumstances, during drug interdiction.

I don't know how they do it in your country, but in the US, going thorugh a control point on government controlled property has long subjected people to random searches, under the theory that if they didn't want to consent to the search, they could go elsewhere.
The above case (which BTW, I don't care for) is a more recent one extending the idea of random LE searches to passengers *inside* the transportation.

So I'm still not seeing the 'first time' mentioned in the article...
 
crimresearch said:
United States v. Drayton, 536 U.S. ___ (U.S. Sup. Ct. No. 01-631) (6/17/2002).
[1] Search and seizure -- no "seizure" of bus passengers, under totality of circumstances, during drug interdiction.

I don't know how they do it in your country, but in the US, going thorugh a control point on government controlled property has long subjected people to random searches, under the theory that if they didn't want to consent to the search, they could go elsewhere.
The above case (which BTW, I don't care for) is a more recent one extending the idea of random LE searches to passengers *inside* the transportation.

So I'm still not seeing the 'first time' mentioned in the article...
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Do you think that the end of your private drive where it meets the government controlled street would qualify as a control point?
 
I think DRAYTON was a little more complicated. It wasnt just random.

Thats where you run into problems. Often times "random" isnt random. Its pretextual to harass a certain group. Plus you still have the right against unreasonble serach and seziure.
 
Drayton was not a case that involved the constitutionality of bus searches, it is a recent case which shows that the right of the government to ask to search passengers even ON mass transit is already established.

The crux of Drayton (and the part with which I disagreed), was whether or not the passengers who were approached felt that they were free to say 'No'.
I don't when the last time was that any of those Justices ever rode a a bus through a small Southern town, but I think they were overly optimistic about the 'feeling free' part.

But we digress.

Last week, the USSC extended the Carrol doctrine to search even if the driver is no longer in the car.

So the notion that we are immune from search because we have left our driveway is what is puzzling to me
Searches outside of one's house have been part of the landscape for quite some time now, whether Terry, or plain view, or DGIs (which appears to be what these Boston searches will be), so I'm waiting to find out what is 'never before' about it.
 
Cleon said:
On the other hand, maybe this will finally get Charlie off the MTA...
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L.A.'s MTA? Pssh. They're wicked retahded.

The T stopping and searching people? Knowing them, they're either going to:
a) Half-ass it.
b) Start off doing it "properly" and then proceed to half-ass it.

Either way, I'm glad I'm out of there.
 
LostAngeles said:


L.A.'s MTA? Pssh. They're wicked retahded.
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*sigh* Nobody recognizes a classic anymore...


Let me tell you the story
Of a man named Charlie
On a tragic and fateful day
He put ten cents in his pocket,
Kissed his wife and family
Went to ride on the MTA

Charlie handed in his dime
At the Kendall Square Station
And he changed for Jamaica Plain
When he got there the conductor told him,
"One more nickel."
Charlie could not get off that train.

Chorus:
Did he ever return,
No he never returned
And his fate is still unlearn'd
He may ride forever
'neath the streets of Boston
He's the man who never returned.

Now all night long
Charlie rides through the tunnels
Saying, "What will become of me?
How can I afford to see
My sister in Chelsea
Or my cousin in Roxbury?"

Charlie's wife goes down
To the Scollay Square station
Every day at quarter past two
And through the open window
She hands Charlie a sandwich
As the train comes rumblin' through.

As his train rolled on
underneath Greater Boston
Charlie looked around and sighed:
"Well, I'm sore and disgusted
And I'm absolutely busted;
I guess this is my last long ride."

Now you citizens of Boston,
Don't you think it's a scandal
That the people have to pay and pay
Vote for Walter A. O'Brien
Fight the fare increase!
And fight the fare increase
Vote for Walter O'Brien!
Get poor Charlie off the MTA.

Chorus:
Or else he'll never return,
No he'll never return
And his fate will be unlearned
He may ride forever
'neath the streets of Boston
He's the man who never returned!
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- the Kingston Trio
 
After reading the book "Papillon", I will keep any stash well hidden.

Charlie (but'll I'll walk funny) Monoxide
 
I always wondered why Charlie's wife didn't just hand him a nickel instead of a sandwich so he could get off the damn train.
 
Unfortunately.....we seem to live in societies where the majority support these sort of totalitarian police state activities. Any dissent is squashed under the magic word "terrorist" If you use this word you can ignore just about anyhing you want in your quest to pummel society into the nice clean god fearing shape you desire.

My suggestion is use the ballot box to eradicate fascists.....depending, of course, on the proportion of the population who are not happy with fascism. It may just work...
 
The Fool said:
Unfortunately.....we seem to live in societies where the majority support these sort of totalitarian police state activities. Any dissent is squashed under the magic word "terrorist" If you use this word you can ignore just about anyhing you want in your quest to pummel society into the nice clean god fearing shape you desire.

My suggestion is use the ballot box to eradicate fascists.....depending, of course, on the proportion of the population who are not happy with fascism. It may just work...
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Yeah, like sword registration...
 
Grammatron said:


Yeah, like sword registration...
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yep...I was advocating the random searching of people for swords wasn't I? Better check your keyboard Gram...Its letting you be silly again.:)
 
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