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Benny Hinn the Thief

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This video shows people falling down effortlessly, as though they are touched by something paranormal and mysterious when Benny Hinn puts his hand(s) near or upon them, or more blatantly, SHOVES THEM....

I'm wondering why James Randi and Co aren't trying to expose these types of whale size magicians, commonly called Televangelists. The amount of money these types of people rip off is far greater than a thousand Sylvia's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

Benny Hinn does claim to have paranormal power from God, though no one is ever healed.
 
likelystory said:
This video shows people falling down effortlessly, as though they are touched by something paranormal and mysterious when Benny Hinn puts his hand(s) near or upon them, or more blatantly, SHOVES THEM....

I'm wondering why James Randi and Co aren't trying to expose these types of whale size magicians, commonly called Televangelists. The amount of money these types of people rip off is far greater than a thousand Sylvia's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

Benny Hinn does claim to have paranormal power from God, though no one is ever healed.
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Yes, if only James Randi wrote a book about Faith Healers or something.
 
Hinn is the real deal. He healed me once, when I had some terrible heartburn. First he made me drink some alka seltzer because the efervescent bubbles create an environment similar to where God lives, which allowed him to channel God's powers right into my gut and presto! No more heartburn. It truly was a miracle.
 
Likelystory is trying to tell us the answer to the question his other thread was asking ---- that it's Benny Hinn who's on first. It all makes sense now.
 
I've looked into this a lot, and I think it's both better and much worse than we typically assume. Hinn was my main case study in the non-supernatural no-touch knockouts in the other thread, and I have studied the effects themselves as well for some time (though not in the depth that I'd like).

It looks to me like there are 'healings' of a sort that take place in that people are instantly and miraculously rid of symptoms that they display through the power of the healing ritual. There is no question in my mind that this happens sometimes if not fairly frequently. For some people it lasts just a few hours, for others it lasts much longer, while for others their pain only vanishes when they happen to be standing in front of 5000 people with the forces of adrenalin and social pressure acting on them. It is impossible to know how many people can be affected in this way because Hinn and others like him resist any sort of scrutiny of their cures beyond supplying a few ideal cases here and there.

The problem with healing that happens along the lines of what we call "suggestion" is that while they can be amazing for some things like chronic pain, they do not do anything to help the real biomedical causes. When it comes to healing, Benny Hinn eclipses Pol Pot for sheer damage to the human race when he repeatedly goes to gatherings of up to seven million people (the largest in history) and 'cures' their AIDS. If Benny Hinn believes a word of Christianity as recognizable to anyone else, he better be dreading the rap sheet that St. Michael will throw in this his face. Although I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, after studying him at his rallies so much I now suspect him more than any other Christian healer I know of as being a knowing fraud.
 
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I just gave this thread a tag. It clearly shows that he has been discussed many times before.
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New threads about Sylvia Browne and Bigfoot are made about every third day. (Do you tag them)

To be honest,I thought all this paranormal stuff had been discussed in the opening month of JREF's beginning....... So how can you skeptics critisize me?

I don't see any video's from James Randi about stopping Benny Hinn,yet there's plenty about Sylvia Browne....
 
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likelystory said:
New threads about Sylvia Browne and Bigfoot are made about every third day. (Do you tag them)

To be honest,I thought all this paranormal stuff had been discussed in the opening month of JREF's beginning....... So how can you skeptics critisize me?

I don't see any video's from James Randi about stopping Benny Hinn,yet there's plenty about Sylvia Browne....
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Then let's push for it. Sylvia Browne is a small fish compared to Hinn. Hinn has enough dirty money to buy her out and ship her to Mars on a rocket made out of original Van Goghs that uses gold as fuel. And Sylvia Brown, to my knowledge, only communicates with dead people, she doesn't make them by touting instant cures for communicable diseases.
 
Well, as an Oral Robert University M.Div graduate, I would certainly volunteer my services to JREF if they needed someone with potential "insider" access. Worked several crusades back in the mid 90's and have been "behind closed doors." I have been out of the loop for awhile, but I would love the chance to help expose him or any number of other guys.
 
likelystory said:
And how effective was the book? Peter Popoff is back on Tele...
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The main difference is that these individuals were exposed - subsequent belief from people means that they are cretins who should know better

Sylvia et al REFUSE to be tested because they are liars and cowards...and frauds...and so at the moment it is far more pertinent to draw attention to them
 
rjh01 said:
Google fight says the winner is - sylvia brown

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Benny+Hinn&word2=sylvia+brown
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If you use quotes, Benny Hinn is a clear winner. Too many people with "Sylvia" and "Browne" who aren't Sylvia Browne.

Hannibal said:
The main difference is that these individuals were exposed - subsequent belief from people means that they are cretins who should know better

Sylvia et al REFUSE to be tested because they are liars and cowards...and frauds...and so at the moment it is far more pertinent to draw attention to them
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That's not really fair. Look at his rallies in India and Africa. Imagine being an uneducated small-plot farmer or something. Imagine the most listened-to preacher in the entire world comes to your city/town and everyone's heard that he's a healer. Then he knocks down two thousand people in a breath, and people on stage claim to have been healed. What else could you possibly believe? I don't blame people for falling for it any more than I blame people for being robbed. If you have the means you should get a dog or an alarm system, but the bottom line is that people shouldn't be breaking into people's houses.
 
AaronAlexander said:
That's not really fair. Look at his rallies in India and Africa. Imagine being an uneducated small-plot farmer or something. Imagine the most listened-to preacher in the entire world comes to your city/town and everyone's heard that he's a healer. Then he knocks down two thousand people in a breath, and people on stage claim to have been healed. What else could you possibly believe? I don't blame people for falling for it any more than I blame people for being robbed. If you have the means you should get a dog or an alarm system, but the bottom line is that people shouldn't be breaking into people's houses.
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Fair point - but then they cannot be considered "forewarned and forearmed" as they have limited exposure to his fraud, therefore they fall outside of my tirade against cretins
 
likelystory said:
New threads about Sylvia Browne and Bigfoot are made about every third day. (Do you tag them)

To be honest,I thought all this paranormal stuff had been discussed in the opening month of JREF's beginning....... So how can you skeptics critisize me?

I don't see any video's from James Randi about stopping Benny Hinn,yet there's plenty about Sylvia Browne....
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likelystory said:
And how effective was the book? Peter Popoff is back on Tele...
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From these comments and your other thread .... I'm gathering that you think "bad people should be stopped" and "good people should stop them." Etc and so forth.

How has this historically worked out do you think?

We could stop those we find "bad" by any number of ways. Ultimately, there is only one sure way to stop one of them ... and that is to kill them. You can do it with a weapon, and that makes you either a murderer or a hero. I get the feeling that you think you can do it with prayer and prophecy. And of course you're banking on the idea that your "prophetic intervention" would make you a hero. Others might disagree with you.

But heros and murderers are usually separated by a thin veil. It's the veil that separates the infidels from the Crusaders .... but can also separate the Nazi's from the Allies.

But here is the thing. In trying to stop people like Popoff, or Hinn, or Obama (from your other thread) ..... why are they the focus? "Bad people" are like weeds. Pull one up, another one pops up. But in my eyes .... the horror of the Nazi's and the Popoffs and the Hinns etc etc .... are not the idiocy of the "evil people" primarily. It's the victims who are being exploited and ****** over. It's the people in the concentration camps. It's the people in need of medical care who are swindled of their resources and given false hopes.

An evil person just sitting around is just that .... and so he has no "real" power. It's illusions to a degree. Power is given to them by those who don't know better. Power is given to the few by the masses who don't know how to trust those worthy of trust.

Books can educate the public, appearances on Carson and whatnot can educate the public. Sometimes they can bring down the "bad guys" also. Those are the big-win moments. When you disarm the one exploiting but you also free the masses from the lie at the same time.

But my point is this: going after a person isn't always the best way to win a war or win a crusade. Going after the b.s. idea that is guiding the masses to agree with the one bad person is perhaps a better way. And keeping in mind it's the masses who are at risk might help to keep things in perspective. But it's just my op.
 
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Hinn did a couple of shows here in NZ in the 1990's. I went along for a giggle.

Yep, he had people dancing in the aisles! "I CAN WALK AGAIN!".

It was like a rock gig. Two big screens either side of the stage, BIG sound system, full gospel group behind him (curiously, not a black person to be seen).

What struck me was when he asked those who wanted "to be saved" to flock to the front. Roughly 100 people ran to the front of the stage. Hinn picked a rather unkempt looking man with no shoes and ushered him onto the stage. Hinn then proceded to gather up money from the wallets of his entourage (local cleaders if I recall correctly) and handed the money to the man... now THIS bit will stay with me forever; As he handed the money over he said "You're a child of God now, so you need to look the part. Tidy yourself up and come to tomorrow night's show." and he sent him on his way.
 
Great post Trent. Empowering people (victims) by giving them facts by which to make better decisions is preferable to "stopping" the charlitan.
 
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