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Being bullied

LibraryLady

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Much has been written in these forums about bullying, the bullies, the origins and the consequences. What is hardest to write about is how it feels specifically to be bullied. Everyone knows that it feels bad, that it breaks the spirit, that it hurts. But how to describe exactly the way it feels?

Imagine a hard rubber hammer. The business ends are about two inches in diameter and smooth. Imagine four smaller, similar hammers. Imagine the sharp pain as it connects with your forehead and the dull pain it leaves behind.

Imagine that one day at school you are an ordinary blend-into-the-background kid. A little too bookish to be popular, a little too pudgy to be athletic, a little too shy to be funny. You make a gaffe, seemingly small. You smile at a popular boy or an unpopular girl. You answer a question in class no one else can answer. You pick up someone else’s notebook. The offended party pulls out the large hammer and hits you hard, above the left eyebrow. Your eyes water and for a few seconds the world is in slow motion.

What do you do? If you complain to the teacher, the teacher will wonder why you’re complaining about such a small bruise, the wielder of the hammer will just get angrier, and there is always the code of the adolescent. You do nothing. By tomorrow, you say, this will have disappeared and once more you can scurry along the hallways in blissful anonymity.

But the next day, the offended party is openly carrying her hammer and has armed several of her friends.

In gym class, you suit up in the ugly little tunic required and get in line. You stumble a little landing from the vaulting horse and a hammer hits your knee. You miss a shot at volleyball and the hammer lands on your shoulder. In the showers, your chest is covered with small, round bruises.

But at least classes are a refuge. The teacher would notice the swing of the arm and hear the connecting thud. It’s the trip down the gauntlet in the hallways between classes, where the fresh bruises are collected and the old bruises revived.

And for the following months, that is what school is. You read Thoreau and Gandhi, and try to practice passive resistance. They have not read the same books and don’t know that your seeming meek acceptance is supposed to make them stop. The blows still land on your back, your head, your legs, your arms. You tell your parents, and they explain that this is a part of growing up, that you need to learn to defend yourself. You tell the gym teacher and she tells you to be nicer to them and stop showing off how smart you are. But at least in class, the hammers are neatly stowed under the desks.

One day in class, your favorite class, one kid slyly pulls out her hammer, leans over cautiously, and whacks you on the elbow. The pain paralyzes you. The other kids smell the blood in the water and lift their hammers, glancing cautiously at the teacher. And the teacher watches with a foolish, embarrassed grin on his face as the blows come fast and hard. The last refuge is gone. No other student will come near you for fear of contagion, the teachers look away; the only place to hide is your room at home. And there you stay until the next day of misery.

If you are very lucky, it is near the end of the school year and the next year is a new school.

You begin your new career in your new school with your head down, your mouth shut, and your wall built sturdily around you. Because you know that in the book bags with the high school emblems and the back packs of these new peers, the hammers rest, waiting.
 
And the anger doesn't go away, either. We are told that when we grow up we're supposed to "get over it", acknowledge that they were just stupid kids, and probably they had horrible home lives that explain why they were such little ****s and we should forgive them and move on.

I don't think so. When I remember things that happened when I was in school, I am still consumed by a fury unabated with the passing of the years. Given the means and opportunity to seek violent vengeance on the worst offenders you can absolutely bet I would. I am actually shaking with rage, remembering. Could I crush the life from those people right now and get away with it, I'd do it in a heartbeat. My only qualm would be how to make sure they knew exactly why I was doing it, and how to maximize their suffering. I want them not just to cease to exist, but to admit how terrible they were and how richly they deserve it.

Does that make me a bad person? If so, they're the ones who made me this way. So it's only justice if I ever manage to make good on my revenge fantasies. Which, sadly, I realize will never happen. But oh how sweet the dream is!

The only thing that surprises me about school shootings and massacres is that they aren't a lot more common. Especially at the junior high ages, 12-14 years old.
 
Post revised on account of new information coming to light:

TragicMonkey, we're cool right?
 
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Man, all those bullying threads make me appreciate even more how great and easy-going my childhood and teenage years were :)

I must say, even though I remember seeing a few kids be made fun of here and there, I never noticed anything nearly as bad as the stuff described in these threads (I finished high school in 1998, not that long ago). I'm definitely not saying it didn't happen, though, just that it wasn't a very overt thing at the schools I went to.

I've half-assedly theorized that this may be due to the fact that I'm from Canada. If it is not too much of a derail, does anyone have any statistics handy that compare the rate and intensity of bullying between different countries? Could it be more widespread in some places than others, or is it a pretty constant phenomenon throughout the 1st world? Sorry to contribute nothing but questions, but my weak and pathetic Google-fu has not yielded the desired info so far...
 
Man, all those bullying threads make me appreciate even more how great and easy-going my childhood and teenage years were :)

I must say, even though I remember seeing a few kids be made fun of here and there, I never noticed anything nearly as bad as the stuff described in these threads (I finished high school in 1998, not that long ago). I'm definitely not saying it didn't happen, though, just that it wasn't a very overt thing at the schools I went to.

I've half-assedly theorized that this may be due to the fact that I'm from Canada. If it is not too much of a derail, does anyone have any statistics handy that compare the rate and intensity of bullying between different countries? Could it be more widespread in some places than others, or is it a pretty constant phenomenon throughout the 1st world? Sorry to contribute nothing but questions, but my weak and pathetic Google-fu has not yielded the desired info so far...

That is a very interesting question, actually. I have excellent research skills. ;)

I'll get back to you.
 
Much has been written in these forums about bullying, the bullies, the origins and the consequences. What is hardest to write about is how it feels specifically to be bullied. Everyone knows that it feels bad, that it breaks the spirit, that it hurts. But how to describe exactly the way it feels?

Imagine a hard rubber hammer. The business ends are about two inches in diameter and smooth. Imagine four smaller, similar hammers. Imagine the sharp pain as it connects with your forehead and the dull pain it leaves behind.

Imagine that one day at school you are an ordinary blend-into-the-background kid. A little too bookish to be popular, a little too pudgy to be athletic, a little too shy to be funny. You make a gaffe, seemingly small. You smile at a popular boy or an unpopular girl. You answer a question in class no one else can answer. You pick up someone else’s notebook. The offended party pulls out the large hammer and hits you hard, above the left eyebrow. Your eyes water and for a few seconds the world is in slow motion.

What do you do? If you complain to the teacher, the teacher will wonder why you’re complaining about such a small bruise, the wielder of the hammer will just get angrier, and there is always the code of the adolescent. You do nothing. By tomorrow, you say, this will have disappeared and once more you can scurry along the hallways in blissful anonymity.

But the next day, the offended party is openly carrying her hammer and has armed several of her friends.

In gym class, you suit up in the ugly little tunic required and get in line. You stumble a little landing from the vaulting horse and a hammer hits your knee. You miss a shot at volleyball and the hammer lands on your shoulder. In the showers, your chest is covered with small, round bruises.

But at least classes are a refuge. The teacher would notice the swing of the arm and hear the connecting thud. It’s the trip down the gauntlet in the hallways between classes, where the fresh bruises are collected and the old bruises revived.

And for the following months, that is what school is. You read Thoreau and Gandhi, and try to practice passive resistance. They have not read the same books and don’t know that your seeming meek acceptance is supposed to make them stop. The blows still land on your back, your head, your legs, your arms. You tell your parents, and they explain that this is a part of growing up, that you need to learn to defend yourself. You tell the gym teacher and she tells you to be nicer to them and stop showing off how smart you are. But at least in class, the hammers are neatly stowed under the desks.

One day in class, your favorite class, one kid slyly pulls out her hammer, leans over cautiously, and whacks you on the elbow. The pain paralyzes you. The other kids smell the blood in the water and lift their hammers, glancing cautiously at the teacher. And the teacher watches with a foolish, embarrassed grin on his face as the blows come fast and hard. The last refuge is gone. No other student will come near you for fear of contagion, the teachers look away; the only place to hide is your room at home. And there you stay until the next day of misery.

If you are very lucky, it is near the end of the school year and the next year is a new school.

You begin your new career in your new school with your head down, your mouth shut, and your wall built sturdily around you. Because you know that in the book bags with the high school emblems and the back packs of these new peers, the hammers rest, waiting.
Or, you can do as I did and get into a lot of fights.

DR
 
LibraryLady just described my entire school career from 5th grade on through high school. The absolute worst part is that even when you are literally bleeding, the jerk-ass teachers and principals won't do jack about it.

TragicMonkey, stay out of my mind. I'm a horrible self-isolated misanthrope for a lot of unrelated reasons, but a bunch of the seeds were planted by those experiences.
 
You tell your parents, and they explain that this is a part of growing up, that you need to learn to defend yourself.

As I read the whole post this was the saddest line. Parents have to do better by their kids.

Our child has a group in her class who fall into the bullying habit a bit too easily. When she mentioned that it had gotten out of hand we agonized over what to do.

We knew these kids. We knew their parents. They were our friends. And we knew their parents would be horrified by what their kids were doing. In the end we knew that our relationships with the parents were subordinate to our child's happiness at school and we called to talk about it.

The most surprising thing was that the parents who were our closer friends bowed up and tried to turn everything we said back on us and our daughter. We deflected it all and just asked them to talk to their kid and in the end all was well. Not great, but no more bullying and we still are friends.

In contrast, the parents we were less close to really shocked us. We mentioned what our kid was saying and asked them to look into it. They did. They were at our door just hours later with their kid asking if they could please apologize. The parents were geeks, they were picked on, they were bullied, and they weren't going to have their kid do to others what had happened to them. We have become closer to them as parents and our kids have become closer friends from the experience.

I know, anecdotes and all, but I think parents play a huge role in the bullying cycle. The victim's parents either don't respond or respond in an accusatory way that just increases the alienation. The bully's parents think that supporting their child like a defense attorney is their parental duty instead of seeing an opportunity for learning.

I can't do anything about the bullying I didn't stop when I was in school, but I sure can help my kids with the bullying they are going to see.
 
I can't speak to the spirit of the OP. Despite spending my time playing music and being a combative, outspoken atheist in a highly religious community, I was never bullied. Why? Because I was good at sports. That seems to be the free pass in our society. It's really an odd standard.

What caught my attention was the reluctance of school authorities to deal with bullying. When I was studying for the bar in Chicago, I started substitute teaching at a small Catholic school in my neighborhood. It was a pre-school through 8th grade program, with about 30 kids in each grade (more in pre-school). I ended up working an average of about 3 days a week, and had an absolute blast.

So, with the caveats of never being bullied and having a single year of subing experience, I noticed that it was incredibly easy to stop bullying as a teacher. Possibly the school wasn't representative, but the same sort of intimidation tactics I remembered from my youth would periodically pop up. Mostly the 6-8 grade classes got involved in that behavior, and I could see it coming from a mile away.

All it took was 1) an understanding of how kids **** with one another, 2) the ability to remember which students harassed which students, 3) consistent intervention, and 4) keeping an eye out for the early stages.

I suppose my point is that teachers and administrators have no excuse. Maintaining a safe environment is obviously a necessary condition for any learning to take place, and we're far past the point when anyone should tell a kid to walk it off.

I sympathize with everyone whose lives were made miserable by bullies, and with the new cyber-bullying nonsense, those ******** can harass kids 24/7.
 
Well put, LibraryLady.


Everyone knows that it feels bad, that it breaks the spirit, that it hurts.

Maybe a lot of people here know how it feels. But does everyone really know?

If the parents and teachers do, they've either forgotten or don't care. I have to wonder if they think it's better to be relieved of one's spirit, to become insensitive and compliant because existence is easier that way.

I still wonder if my parents and others would have understood what it was like if I could document harassment in a way that they could experience. Just telling a few anecdotes never conveyed the impact of cumulative attacks. But a video compilation might get through to them and compel them to do something about it.

Cameras are much smaller now. Maybe it's finally possible.
 
Or, you can do as I did and get into a lot of fights.

In retrospect, I wish I had. I was too much of a good kid, and I thought fighting was wrong and would get me in trouble. Looking back on it, I should have taken advantage of the way young offenders (especially back then) can get away with things that adults can't. At the very least if I'd reacted with violence it might have made some of them think twice. And it would have been so sweet to blind just one of them!
 
All it took was 1) an understanding of how kids **** with one another, 2) the ability to remember which students harassed which students, 3) consistent intervention, and 4) keeping an eye out for the early stages.
I hope you can share some of what you figured out. What kind of intervention works well? What early stages should one look for?
 
In retrospect, I wish I had. I was too much of a good kid, and I thought fighting was wrong and would get me in trouble. Looking back on it, I should have taken advantage of the way young offenders (especially back then) can get away with things that adults can't. At the very least if I'd reacted with violence it might have made some of them think twice. And it would have been so sweet to blind just one of them!
I got into plenty of trouble, with the teachers, Vice Principles, and my mom and dad. It was the cost of fighting.

*shrugs*

I got my butt kicked more than once. I also got some prime satisfaction when I didn't. Nothing quite like it.

DR
 
One of my HS teachers came down hard on even the slightest bit of bullying that went on in his or her room. The slightest cruel comment, and you were out in the hallway having a chat with him. As a result, no bullying went on in that room. Sadly, most teachers don't have the balls/ovaries for that kind of vigilance.
 
And the anger doesn't go away, either. We are told that when we grow up we're supposed to "get over it", acknowledge that they were just stupid kids, and probably they had horrible home lives that explain why they were such little ****s and we should forgive them and move on.

I don't think so. When I remember things that happened when I was in school, I am still consumed by a fury unabated with the passing of the years. Given the means and opportunity to seek violent vengeance on the worst offenders you can absolutely bet I would. I am actually shaking with rage, remembering. Could I crush the life from those people right now and get away with it, I'd do it in a heartbeat. My only qualm would be how to make sure they knew exactly why I was doing it, and how to maximize their suffering. I want them not just to cease to exist, but to admit how terrible they were and how richly they deserve it.


Wow, you've described my feelings very, very coherently.

I had two bullies in my life. One was a guy about three years older than me when I was in 6th grade or so. He died in a car accident a couple years later. I felt no sympathy or sadness.

The other was my 2nd grade teacher, old Sister Claire Marie Meyer. I have described in the past how I am generally a pretty easy going person, but if I ever saw her again, I cannot guarantee that I wouldn't attack her and try to kick the snot out of her. That was 34 years ago, and so she is probably 85 years old now, but I don't care. I was 8 years old at the time, it didn't stop her.
 
I've half-assedly theorized that this may be due to the fact that I'm from Canada.

Nope- I was bullied in Canada throughout my school career. Entirely my fault, though, for being younger and smaller than the other kids in the class.
 
I hope you can share some of what you figured out. What kind of intervention works well? What early stages should one look for?

The key for me was understanding the difference between kids being kids and bullying. My friends and I would always play some sport at recess, start screaming at each other, and end up in some sort of scuffle. They were never serious, just dumb kids goofing off.

As a sub I would always watch how any given kid responded to teasing or physical confrontation. If they shoved back or responded to the taunts, I just made them cut it out and behave appropriately--separated them, distracted them, the usual sorts of tactics. I didn't really worry about kids, it was't bullying.

If a kid was hanging his head, obviously uncomfortable, or confronted by a group, I would really go after the bullying kids. After a few weeks it becomes obvious who was ganging up and who was really unhappy. Every time I was in one of those classes or even when I just saw that dynamic building in the lunch room or at recess, I would go intervene right away. Once it's known who the potential bullies were and who their favorite targets were, immediate reaction (not emotionally or with anger) always nipped that stuff in the bud. Making a kid, especially a boy, sit out recess was usually effective. I didn't give them detention or anything, just made them sit and watch the other kids have fun. I remmber that being the only punishment that bothered me when I was that age.

I also think that being male--there were no other male teachers in the entire school--gave me some sort of authority.

There were no real bad apples at that school, and talking to friends who were actual teachers in really bad parts of Chicago, sometimes there are kids who are so messed up that my common sense approach would likely fail. But the really bad apples at my high school weren't the kids who harassed a couple of gay students so badly that they committed suicide. It was the WASPy "good kids." Bullying can come from the most innocent looking kids, and it's usually worse that way because school officials won't believe that the head cheerleader or STUCO president is a colossal *******.

As an aside, the worst bullying I witnessed as sub happened between the girls in the 6th grade class. They were astonishingly vicious to each other, and when confronted would act all sweet and innocent. Unlike the boys, they would pretend like they were friends with the girl they were bullying, I would turn my head, and a minute later the bullied girl would be in tears. So I just started keeping them apart.
 
One of my HS teachers came down hard on even the slightest bit of bullying that went on in his or her room. The slightest cruel comment, and you were out in the hallway having a chat with him. As a result, no bullying went on in that room. Sadly, most teachers don't have the balls/ovaries for that kind of vigilance.

Everything else aside, I think that's the key word.

It's like training a puppy---you have to make sure it takes care of business outside every time if you don't want pee on your floor.
 
I got bullied a lot right up until about age 15, as a result mainly of being smaller, younger and smarter than my classmates and foreign to boot. Fortuntely for me I went through a huge spurt of growth in my mid-teens, bulking up a fair bit as well as getting tall, and when the worst offender made the mistake of having a go at me without his posse in close attendance he, and I, found out that I was now capable of kicking the snot out of him. It's the only time in my life I've been involved in physical violence away from the rugby pitch but it absolutely changed my life.
 

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