Baja Arizona has company

[Travis]

"A GOP lawmaker in California says he has a solution to the state's massive budget woes: He wants 13 conservative-leaning counties to secede and form a new state called "South California." The secession push is the brainchild of Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone, a Republican who tells the Los Angeles Times he's sick of the state government raiding local budgets without curbing its own spending in pursuit of what he calls a liberal agenda."


"Under Stone's plan, the new 51st state would include 13 Southern California counties--Riverside, San Bernardino, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono--and would be made up of roughly 13 million people. Los Angeles was intentionally left off the list because it's simply too liberal, according to Stone."


"Stone told the Times that California has become an "ungovernable" financial catastrophe where taxpayers are suffering under the burden of caring for welfare recipients and illegal immigrants."

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Right. That's the problem. Welfare and immigrants. Not the stupid referendum laws. I guess the first thing South California will do is "eliminate" the welfare and immigrant problem. Probably by cutting off all assistance to the former and driving out with pitchforks the latter.


It would be amusing to see how these conservative sections of the state would do without the largesse of the Liberals they so despise.

 

[Ausmerican]

Purely as a social experiment it would be interesting to see what would happen if you suddenly had a South California and a North California to compare things like laws, taxes, quality of life, etc between.

Same with Baja Arizona. The states we have that are North ... and South ... now are ideologically similar and having states break off due to political and idealogical differences would make for an interesting experiment.

Not as interesting as if Texas actually seceded though. That one would be worth happening just to examine the ramifications and outcome (sorry Tricky, et al).

 

[Travis]

Although in Baja Arizona's case it's the Liberals that want to break away.

 

[Ausmerican]

Although in Baja Arizona's case it's the Liberals that want to break away.

Same result though. A conservative-ish and liberal-ish version of a state side by side where one big mix was before.
And as a liberal in Arizona I would be looking at the job situation in Baja very quickly.

 

[Kopji]

I think that something as ordinary as water makes all these separatist ideas DOA.

Southern California would never risk putting their water supply in jeopardy. They get it from the Mono lake area to the north and the Colorado River to the east.

Creation of new states in the southwest might place all that at risk of a water war, as the new states asserted their new priorities over previous allotments.

The water pacts explained:
http://ag.arizona.edu/azwater/arroyo/101comm.html

Tip of the iceberg:
http://viewfrombajaarizona.wordpress.com/2011/02/26/colorado-river-water-crunch-coming/

Just being pessimistic.

 

[hgc]

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Not as interesting as if Texas actually seceded though. That one would be worth happening just to examine the ramifications and outcome (sorry Tricky, et al).

Happened once already. It was not pretty.

 

[Travis]

What I find funny is that the State of California is currently paying for some major public works projects in Riverside. I wonder if Stone is willing to foot the bill for them alone.

 

[keale]

I heard about this and my first thought was dont let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Orly Taitz for Governor of Southern California

 

[Biscuit]

Although in Baja Arizona's case it's the Liberals that want to break away.

Actually it a lot more than that. We have liberals, green party, libertarians, and even a smattering of conservatives that support us.

We do not advocate liberal governing but rather a more sensible governing that will promote a healthier economy and community. There is only a slight majority of registered liberals in Pima county.

As for California I think this could help baja az. Sort of like the Missouri compromise with S. California being the slave state this time.

 

[PGH]

And while California considers becoming 2 states Puerto Rico is sitting there going, "seriously?"

 

[Darth Rotor]

And while California considers becoming 2 states Puerto Rico is sitting there going, "seriously?"

Are you for or against Puerto Rican statehood?

 

[Travis]

Maybe South California and Old Arizona could form one new state? Old South Califorizona.