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BeAChooser

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Tell you what folks, let's go back to talking about the big problems. :D

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871911466984927.html

April 3, 2009

Obama's $163,000 Tax Bomb

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The House and Senate are preparing to pass President Barack Obama's radical budget blueprint, with only minor modifications, by using (abusing would be more accurate) the budget "reconciliation" process. This process circumvents the Senate's normal rules requiring 60 votes to prevent a filibuster. Reconciliation was created by Congress in the mid-1970s to enforce deficit reduction, the opposite of what the president and his party are aiming for.

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He (BAC - Obama) claims to reduce the deficit by half, to shave $2 trillion off the debt (the cumulative deficit over his 10-year budget horizon), and not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year. While in a Clintonian sense correct (depends on what the definition of "is" is), it is far more accurate to describe Mr. Obama's budget as almost tripling the deficit. It adds $6.5 trillion to the national debt, and leaves future U.S. taxpayers (many of whom will make far less than $250,000) with the tab. And all this before dealing with the looming Medicare and Social Security cost explosion.

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This brings Mr. Obama's total additional debt to $6.5 trillion, not his claimed $2 trillion reduction. That was mostly a phantom cut from an imagined 10-year continuation of peak Iraq war spending.

The claim to reduce the deficit by half compares this year's immense (mostly inherited) deficit to the projected fiscal year 2013 deficit, the last of his current term. While it is technically correct that the deficit would be less than half this year's engorged level, a do-nothing budget would reduce it by 84%. Compared to do-nothing, Mr. Obama's deficit is more than two and a half times larger in fiscal year 2013. Just his addition to the budget deficit, $459 billion, is bigger than any deficit in the nation's history. And the 2013 deficit is supposed to be after several years of economic recovery, funds are being returned from the financial bailouts, and we are out of Iraq.

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What does $6.5 trillion of additional debt imply for the typical family? If spread evenly over all those paying income taxes (which under Mr. Obama's plan would shrink to a little over 50% of the population), every income-tax paying family would get a tax bill for $163,000. (In ten years, interest would bring the total to well over $200,000, if paid all at once. If paid annually over the succeeding ten years, the tax hike per year would average almost $26,000.) That's in addition to his explicit tax hikes. In other words, a middle-aged two-career couple in New York or California could get a future tax bill as big as their mortgage.

Any Obama supporters want to defend the indefensible? :D
 
OMG!!!
Obama wants to control the interentz and hand over economic control to the G20, while simultaneously bowing to a King, firing the GM CEO and saying that terrorist extremist won't just go away if we pull out!!!!!1 AND Now he wants to Spend on the economy he's anding over to the G20!!!!!

But we must not forget that he's also lied about the state of the economy (that he's giving to the G20) and he's lied about taxing cigarettes(even though he said he would) AND he used a teleprompter!

My God, he's a monster!!!!!!!
 
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and people were complaining about a deficit that was ONLY 400billion after 8 years?
 
My apologies to your momma....:D

I'm completely sorry.. but I couldn't pass up the "your mamma" joke.
:o:o

Ahem.....................



Yo momma so ugly when she joined an ugly contest, they said, "Sorry, No Professionals."


Yo momma so ugly she looks out the window and got arrested for mooning.


Yo momma so ugly just after she was born, her mother said, "What a treasure!" and her father said, "Yes, let's go bury it."


Yo momma so ugly they didn't give her a costume when she tried out for Star Wars.


Yo momma so ugly she gets 364 extra days to dress up for Halloween.


Yo momma so ugly her mom had to be drunk to breast feed her.


Yo momma so ugly she made an onion cry.


Yo momma so ugly she is very successful at her job: Being a scarecrow.


Yo momma so ugly I heard that your dad first met her at the pound.


Yo momma so ugly they push her face into dough to make gorilla cookies.


Yo momma so ugly they filmed, "Gorillas in the Mist," in her shower.


Yo momma so ugly when she walks into a bank, they turn off the surveillance cameras.


Yo momma so ugly her mom had to tie a steak around her neck to get the dogs to play with her.
 
Obama is too skinny. I don't trust skinny people.

Mr Burns is also skinny.... quod erat demonstrandum.
 
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Obamessiah went to Europe to get them onboard with the bailouts ("stimulus") and onboard with them sending troops to Afghanistan.

0 for 2. They really do love us now though.

Hope and Change, maybe at the next G20. Does the Queen have a cheap digital camera? That would make a nice gift to go next to the iPod.
 
Obamessiah went to Europe to get them onboard with the bailouts ("stimulus") and onboard with them sending troops to Afghanistan.

0 for 2. They really do love us now though.

Hope and Change, maybe at the next G20. Does the Queen have a cheap digital camera? That would make a nice gift to go next to the iPod.
And now, back to the real world for the weather.
 
But we must not forget that he's also lied about the state of the economy...

Well he didn't lie about the economy, he kinda guessed, and he got it right!

On Friday (April 3), reality bit back with the news that the unemployment rate spiked in March, to 8.5 percent, a 25-year high. The government’s report also showed that employers had shed 663,000 more jobs in March. Nearly two million jobs have vanished this year — 5.1 million since the recession began in December 2007. The ranks of the unemployed now stand at 13.2 million.

There is no longer any doubt that the current recession will be the longest yet in America since World War II. The previous record-holders — the contractions of the early 1970s and the early 1980s — each lasted for 16 months. As of now, the economy already has been in decline for 16 straight months.

The questions now are how much longer the recession will be and how much worse it will get. Measured by the labor market, the answer to both questions is “a lot.”

Linky:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/opinion/05sun1.html
 
Obamessiah went to Europe to get them onboard with the bailouts ("stimulus") and onboard with them sending troops to Afghanistan.

0 for 2. They really do love us now though.

Weird.

More Troops

Investment and Stimulus

Since the G-20 result doesn't seem to reflect a direct commitment to stimulus spending, It seems like the score is more like 1.5 for 2. However, the respective positions of the United States (even under Obama, yes) and Europe were well-known before the summit. A fancy speech isn't going to make all of the other leaders suddenly flip-flop. The U.S. favours spending to avoid more regulation. The rest of the world disagrees...
 
Well he didn't lie about the economy

Yes, he did lie.

(Since I already complained that joobz comment was an attempt to derailing this thread and nothing was done about that, I will assume it's ok to discuss this in more detail).

The fact is Obama was not correct when he said "we have inherited an economic crisis as deep and dire as any since the days of the Great Depression" back on February 5th. At the time he made that statement, this recession was not worse than the one in 1981-82 (or the one in the mid 70s) on many, many levels. I proved this on the thread where this was discussed (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135124) by comparing specific figures (unemployment rate, inflation rate, the delta in real GDP, the delta in industrial production, the 30 year mortgage rate, and the "misery index"). And neither you or joobz ever contested any of those figures in that thread.

And as pointed out previously, the February 27th issue of the leftist New York Times supported my assertion. It said (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/business/economy/28recession.html?_r=1) "Current conditions are not even as poor as during the twin recessions of the 1980s, when unemployment exceeded 10 percent".

And, as I've pointed out previously on this forum, on January 11th Obama also lied about the economy when he stated to ABCNews (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a3YMkstD3JzA ) that "Whether it’s retail sales, manufacturing, all of the indicators show that we are in the worst recession since the Great Depression". That statement was simply not true at that time and it's still not true. It's a LIE.

Yet here you are offering a NY Times article describing the current economic statistics and claiming that's proof Obama wasn't lying back then. The logic in that is more than a little tenuous. :rolleyes: In fact, the unemployment rate mentioned in your article (8.5%) is still significantly below the level of the 1981-1982 recession. Your article even admits that. And not only is unemployment lower, but all those other measures I mentioned above still haven't exceeded the levels during 1981-1982 recession either. It wasn't then and isn't even now as deep and dire a recession as the 1981-1982 one.

And the fact that the contraction is now longer than that earlier one one may only be due to government interference which has prolonged it due to the great uncertainty that interference has caused in the free-market business decisions needed to end the recession. And finally, most of the so-called stimulus efforts that Obama insisted were necessary to pull us out of the dire crisis haven't had time to have any effect, so the fact that the conditions appear to be improving suggests it was going to improve anyway ... just like in all the other recessions down through history where government didn't intervene in any massive way.

Plain and simple ... Obama was a liar. He lied in order to sell his stimulus/porkulus agenda. And you bought the lie. And here you are trying to defend the lie ... with a lie. Like I said to joobz, how appropriate.

And I hope that everyone notices that neither you or anyone else on this thread appears to want to discuss the very important issues mentioned in the OP. You have your heads in the sand. You are in obvious denial. And I think the reason is quite partisan in nature.
 
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

hy⋅per⋅bo⋅le

 /haɪˈpɜr
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li/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hahy-pur-buh-lee] Show IPA –noun Rhetoric. 1. obvious and intentional exaggeration. 2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
 
OMG!!!

My God, he's a monster!!!!!!!

The correct solution is a balanced budget amendment that requires it unless there is a declared war or the law in question is passed with a 2/3 majority.


We got into this problem because we treat a 51% majority as being somehow ethically a quorum to decide massive and long-term changes to the government and how it operates.

You get what you vote for. And sadly, so do your kids and grandkids.
 
Yes, he did lie.

A lie is an untruthful statement with the intent of deceiving others. You may think what Obama said was wrong but there is no way you can prove that he was lying because their is no way YOU can prove what his intentions were.
 
The fact is Obama was not correct when he said "we have inherited an economic crisis as deep and dire as any since the days of the Great Depression" back on February 5th. At the time he made that statement, this recession was not worse than the one in 1981-82 (or the one in the mid 70s) on many, many levels.

I don't believe we have the same understanding of his words. He did not claim the then-current economy was the worst we'd seen since the Great Depression, he claimed the crisis was the worst. A crisis that had yet to fully unfold.

He was talking about a snowball that was still rolling down the hill, and you're comparing to past snowballs that had hit bottom.
 

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