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B. O'Reilly steps further away from reality: "Hitler and Stalin would join the ACLU."

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B. O'Reilly steps further away from reality: "Hitler and Stalin would join the ACLU."

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Discussing the American Civil Liberties Union's (ACLU) objections to the Dover, Pennsylvania, school district's plans to include "intelligent design" theory in their high school biology curriculum, FOX News host Bill O'Reilly declared: "Hitler would be a card-carrying ACLU member. So would Stalin. Castro probably is. And so would Mao Zedong."

On the January 19 broadcast of The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly, O'Reilly read portions of the statement about "intelligent design," which the Dover Area School District requires its biology teachers to read, and complained that even this statement does not directly mention God:


O'REILLY: They won't even tell you in the statement what intelligent design entails. They won't mention a creator, a deity, a God. You know why? Because the ACLU then can haul them into court and cost them $100,000 to defend themselves. Fascism, fascism, fascism. Okay? Ah, drive me nuts! Hitler would be a card-carrying ACLU member. So would Stalin. Castro probably is. And so would Mao Zedong.
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The man is losing it.
 
Fascism

Dictionary definition (m-w.com): a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

O'Reilly definition: anyone who pisses off O'Reilly
 
Did anyone see O'Reilly interview that guy from the ACLU? The transcript is on the foxnews website. O'Reilly uses the internal feud at the ACLU to use this guy to hammer the ACLU itself.

I felt bad that this guy let himself be used by O'Reilly so badly. Frankly, I don't think he should have let his anger at the ACLU leadership influence him to go on to O'Reilly's show. Bill really used they poor buy to promote his rabid anti-ACLU agenda. I don't think the guest will be proud once his anger abates.

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If the school district had to explain what ID really is in the school, then it would be apparent that it isn't science.

Bill O claims students in religion classes should have to hear about evolution so at least he gets the inverse/converse thing. However, ID isn't science and has no place in a science class.

If there was a class on "origins of man", perhaps religious or alien or other ideas about origins could be fleshed out. But not in a _science_ class.

Mr. O suffers from the same cognitive dissonance that many religious people do. They know what a theory means and is as they were taught in school, yet they refuse to acknowledge it and instead associate "theory" with its vernacular meaning which is "idea".
 
They won't even tell you in the statement what intelligent design entails. They won't mention a creator, a deity, a God.
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Well, c'mon Bill, of course they don't mention a creator, deity, or God. We all know those rightful and honest intelligent design folks don't want to speculate on the nature of the designer, just that there is one.
Of course, nudge nudge, wink wink, it's a Christian God. We don't want to come out and say it lest we break state/church seperation, but how could it be anything else.
 
I heard that show. Bill at his foolish worst. He said that since ID is a theory, it shoud be in the sci books. Like the theory of evolution. One problem, the theory of evolution HAS factual basis to it. Its not 100% but close. Where as ID has no real evidence behind it.

THe dumbest thing he said: HE complained how the ACLU forced a school to remove "Evolution is a theory" stickers from the science books. He said that move was somthing "The Taliban wouldve done." WHAT!!?!?! Im thinking the exact opposite. THe Taliban would toss out science and replace it with religious dogma.
 
corplinx said:
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Mr. O suffers from the same cognitive dissonance that many religious people do. They know what a theory means and is as they were taught in school, yet they refuse to acknowledge it and instead associate "theory" with its vernacular meaning which is "idea".
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I wonder about that. If I had to guess, I'd say that BOR believes in evolution, has little sense of the definition of a scientific theory, has no idea that the ID movement is creationism in new clothing and reflexively jumps on the anti-anti-religion bandwagon, especially when the ACLU, his super-dooper boogaboo, is involved.

Just a potent mix of ignorance and anger.
 
hgc said:
I wonder about that. If I had to guess, I'd say that BOR believes in evolution, has little sense of the definition of a scientific theory, has no idea that the ID movement is creationism in new clothing and reflexively jumps on the anti-anti-religion bandwagon, especially when the ACLU, his super-dooper boogaboo, is involved.

Just a potent mix of ignorance and anger.
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Most people I know vaguely recall that there is a process by which a hypothesis becomes a theory. Even believers. They may not be able to give you a webster worthy definition of the word theory in a scientific context but they know a theory isnt just a mere suggestion or idea.
 
B. O'Reilly steps further away from reality: "Hitler and Stalin would join the ACLU"

Yeah, cause we all know how much Hitler and Stalin loved civil rights. :D
 
He tries to spin it that its not even a religious thing. They are just pointing out theories. Yeah OK, then why arent there stickers attacking the validity of the theory of relativity?
 
As far as I can see, Bill OReilly has absolutely NO clue about what "liberty" is. No one who did would ever, ever, ever suggest that Hitler would be a civil libertarian. What sort of individual liberty was Hitler defending when he decided to carry out genocide? And Stalin? Same deal. A police state is exactly what the ACLU is fighting against, you knob!

Similarly, Bill OReilly can't distinguish between the government and citizens. As noted, the comparison between the ACLU and the Taliban is about as loopy as you can get. The Taliban is the friggin government. The ACLU fights government intrusion.

The ACLU weren't the ones who created the whole "evolution stickers" mess. That was started by the government, who are trying to force religious thought on the citizens. The ACLU says, "We don't want a government that forces religious thought on its citizens, and we have the constitution on our side." Now which one is like the Taliban again?
 
Tmy said:
He tries to spin it that its not even a religious thing. They are just pointing out theories. Yeah OK, then why arent there stickers attacking the validity of the theory of relativity?
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or blood flow
or gravity
or germ theory
or ...yeah Tmy, drives me nuts too!
 
HarryKeogh said:
or blood flow
or gravity
or germ theory
or ...yeah Tmy, drives me nuts too!
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Atomic theory is just a theory.

Put it on every chemistry text.
 
pgwenthold said:
...Now which one is like the Taliban again?
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You are, Fascist. Because you support the ACLU. I got the word straight from Bill, and he's looking out for the Folks. The ACLU isn't looking out for the Folks. They're just pushing their extreme anti-religious agenda. The folks want religion. You Fascists can't stand religion. DIE VÖLKER ZERQUETSCHEN IHRE KUGELN!!!!! :o
 
Quick aside.

My parents have a friend that is a card-carrying member of both the ACLU and the NRA. Apparently, he keeps both visible, side-by-side, in his wallet just for the reaction he gets from people.
 
NRA, ACLU, NAACP, NOW they are the same thing. They look to defend our rights with vigor. The NRA just focus' on the 2nd amendment. Even though I may disagree with some of what they do, Im glad we have them.

THese groups protect our rights, not our governemt. Usually the govt is trying to limit our freedoms.


The ACLU has a # of top notched debaters. I dont see why they donthave a guy represent them on teh Oreilly show. I understand he controls his show, but at least have SOMEONE to counter his on air rants. I think theyd do well againstthat bonehead.
 
Re: B. O'Reilly steps further away from reality: "Hitler and Stalin would join the ACLU."

Ladewig said:
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The man is losing it.
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I humbly suggest that you are wrong. For BOR to be losing it, he would have had to have it before...
 
And hence, we are discussing a man who really isnt worth it. Perhaps some people on this forum will tune in to see what he says next. I wonder if he has thought of that?

Nah, not him. He's Looking Out For You.
 
Never watched him, probably never will..but that doesn't stop me from having a therory....

I think he's like a drug addict in that he's always searching for a new "High", something that will make him talked about and even more famous/nortorious. And after each 'hit', he needs to be even more outrageous the next time to gain our attention.

Until finally he self-destructs and ends up on the lecture circuit or the guy they bring out the Sunday talk shows for entertainment value now and then....
 
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