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Aus. Expert says men should have mandatory mental assessment after divorces

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Bit left field nutty

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air...calls-for-changes-after-hannah-baxter-murder/

Expert suggests men exiting relationships should receive assessments

A call to carry out mandatory mental health checks on all newly divorced or separated men.

It comes after Hannah Clarke and her three children were murdered by the children's father, Rowan Baxter, in Brisbane last week.

It has been revealed that*Clarke fought to keep Baxter away from her family. Australian media has reported that domestic violence orders against Baxter were continually watered down until he was allowed within just 20 metres of her.

That's despite him stalking her daily...and kidnapping their four year old daughter on Boxing Day.

He killed his three children and their mother by torching their car on Wednesday, in what's been described as an act of domestic terrorism.

Australian National Research Organisation for women's safety chief executive Heather Nancarrow told Mike Hosking transitioning out of relationships is not always easy, and assessments could be a solution to avoid further tragedy.*

"To those who are then assessed as posing a threat to the safety of women and children or others, including themselves, would then be offered help in the form of intensive supervision and ongoing monitoring."

She says there's a number of people who could offer the services.

"It could be people in the existing mental health system, it could be potentially child protection officers. It really is an idea that's still forming."

She says that she is looking to assemble a group of other professionals to discuss the idea in greater detail.

Nancarrow says that one of the ways that this could occur is that family members, friends or colleagues who are concerned about someone's wellbeing as they transition out of a relationship could ask for help.*
 
Job security for the profession. I was required to attend mandatory classes for how to mentally handle a divorce with someone I hadn't seen or talked to in a year.

They wanted me to pay for the privilege too. I was already single in life and she had a new guy.

Blanket solutions to spotty problems at its best here. Not good.
 
The state should probably do mental health checks and monitoring of men who -
- get fired from their job
- lose their home to fire or flood
- are the victim of a robbery
- get turned down for a date
- owe taxes at the end of the year (instead of getting a return)
- lose their entire bankroll on one spin of the roulette wheel

Really, the state should just put all men on psych monitoring all the time anyway. Forget the draft: On your 18th birthday you should have to register for your ankle monitor and monthly check-ups. Because you're a man.

We should probably do the same for women, but they're the weaker sex, so we can save money by just letting the men deal with whatever angry women happen to cross their paths. And then give them extra treatments afterwards, of course. Because they're men.
 
What a horrible story.

The idea of requiring all men getting a divorce to undergo mandatory mental health checks is a ridiculous idea.

However, something more should have been done to protect this woman and her children in this case.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/23/kille...ed-wife-3-kids-was-misogynist-cheater-family/
https://nypost.com/2020/02/20/ex-ru...er-phone-before-murder-suicide-parents-claim/

Difficult to say exactly what, but this guy had a restraining order. I don't see how a "mental health check" would have made any difference. (What happens if you fail this mental health check? Anything?) Short of preemptively throwing the man in prison, I don't see much that can be done. If he violated a restraining order, that might be grounds to do something, but it isn't easy to stop an enraged abuser who's out for revenge before he strikes. Should she have gone to a shelter for abused women where she could get protection?

What action or policy could have prevented this? The idea in the OP wouldn't have prevented it, it would only be a completely pointless and unnecessary exercise for the vast majority of men or women going through a divorce, and probably wouldn't even make a difference in the few cases where the man really is an abuser.
 
I think having regular mental health check-ups should be as normal as having physicals.
And of course, it should be done around the time when some damage might have occurred.

The actual question is: who gets to have access to the results?
 
Denmark enacted legislation that requires counselling for couples seeking a divorce, not just men.
 
I have to say that in the days and weeks immediately following my divorce, I would have found any intrusive and extensive questioning particularly unwelcome. I didn't welcome it from family or friends. I'm fairly sure any court-mandated counselling would not have found me a cooperative subject.
 
Denmark enacted legislation that requires counselling for couples* seeking a divorce, not just men.

*Couples with children. If no children are involved there's no counselling required.

Not that I approve of this legislation. The purpose is of course to try to preempt that the children get caught in a conflict between parents. This is a noble purpose but I think it's too late if it already got to the point of divorce.

We also got rid of the possibility to get divorced directly without separation. Now if children are involved a 6 month separation period is mandatory. Again I think this is silly.

My ex-wife and I got divorced before this legislation. 6 months of separation would no doubt have aggravated the relationship. We are doing fine now.

Re the OP I'm wondering what happens if the man fails this mental assessment? Should he be thrown in jail just because?
 
I think women should have a mental assessment yearly

AND for all the same circumstances proposed for men. Plus after giving birth- ever heard of the heinoius things women do when suffering from post partem depression?
 
We are should probably require that women undergo cpunswlinf the moment they get pregnant... Actually, before they get pregnant.

Probably we should round up every male once a year, and anyone who says they have a girlfriend we should track her down and make sure she's properly cared for by the Mental Health Police.

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ETA: Yes, autocorrect screwed up big time. No, I'm not going to fix it.
 
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Again this is another one of those articles that could do with a boomer trigger warning. We see them again and again held up as nutty leftwing academic ideas in contrast to a commonsense every man thinking.

What we have in the article are people looking at a terrible tragedy, in the context of a wider domestic violence problem where on average a woman a week in Australia is murdered by a current or former partner, and examining ways to prevent this. This is an extreme problem we are dealing with. The idea that “one of the ways that this could occur is that family members, friends or colleagues who are concerned about someone's wellbeing as they transition out of a relationship could ask for help” is very reasonable in this light.

But here we are again in the anti intellectual culture wars with a story of this type framed hyperbolically by/for a reactionary audience.

https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/unde...-violence-women/domestic-violence-statistics/
 
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