Audit the Fed? What would that accomplish?

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A friend is all up in arms about auditing the fed, ron paul...etc What the heck does that even mean, and what if anything would that accomplish?

Just curious. Please help me get my smart on.
 
[...]what if anything would that accomplish?

Among other things it lets you know what kind of garbage they've been accepting as collateral and at what discount below face value they accepted them so that it is possible to know to what degree they've been involved in back-door bail outs like some claim. Right now the public knows only some of the crap that's in Maiden Lane I, II and III.
 
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It's not going to find trillions being squirreled away into private accounts as the conspiracy/anti-FED people claim. On the other hand, more transparency isn't a bad idea either.
 
I'm reminded of The Grace Commission—an audit that Reagan had done during his administration. Unfortunately, nothing of any use was subsequently done with its findings. No point conducting such an audit, if you're not going to do anything about the results.
 
A friend is all up in arms about auditing the fed, ron paul...etc What the heck does that even mean, and what if anything would that accomplish?

Well,....

Basically, Ron Paul is a lunatic conspiracy theorist. There seems to be some conspiracy theories floating around about how the Fed is run by the usual s3krit cabal of Communist Jewish Reptoid bankers from the planet Zog to enrich themselves at the expense of real humans so that they can fill their swimming pools with twenty dollar bills and dive into them Scrooge McDuck fashion.

And the idea is that by auditing the Fed, we'll see the money leak and will be able to get the money back from the Reptoids. While no sensible person believes this, there are any number of 'tards on the forum that will passionately defend this conspiracy theory. You'll see them when they show up.

At a marginally more rational level, Paul has made it his mission to destroy the Fed. Quite literally -- he even has a book published entitled "End the Fed," which is required 'tard reading despite the fact that few of them have actually made it to chapter 2. (Not enough pictures, I guess.)

Since sensible people recognize that the Fed is actually quite a good thing, he doesn't have the political support to do that, so he's going for the next best thing, which is to destroy its ability to operate independently of whatever political/populist whims are going through Congress and the Fox News echo chamber. When the Fed was set up, it was deliberately set up to be outside of Congress' direct supervision (and of the President's, for that matter) so that we wouldn't see things like a deliberate easing of monetary policy to produce a temporary stock market boost just before the election,.... which of course would cause inflation after the election. This is the type of stupid currency trick usually carried out by banana republics, and it's one reason that banana republics tend to have economies as messed up as they have. (Look at Argentina under Peron for an example of what happens when you let the elected dictator run the money supply.)

But this means that the Fed has to be able to take unpopular decisions, such as tightening currency supplies to prevent inflation when the economy is starting to get out of line. One of the former Fed chairs (Martin) famously said that the job of the Fed was "to take the punch bowl away just as the party was starting to heat up" or something like that (I forget the exact quote). Paul Volcker deliberately caused a recession in the early 1980s by tightening the money market, but he also managed as a result to get inflation under control and laid the groundwork for the boom economy of the 1980s and 1990s by doing so. Low inflation, high growth rate, low unemployment,.... can all be tied to his deeply unpopular actions at the time.

The rather silly call for "transparency" is really just a call to put Congress back in control of the money supply with an overall goal of destroying the Fed. Paul is even fairly explicit about this, but for some reason, there are an awful lot of populists out there that want the United States to be a banana republic.....
 
The rather silly call for "transparency" is really just a call to put Congress back in control of the money supply with an overall goal of destroying the Fed. Paul is even fairly explicit about this, but for some reason, there are an awful lot of populists out there that want the United States to be a banana republic.....

That's because a lot of people have a complete inability to think of things long term. They want theirs NOW! They could care less about what happens a few years from now so long as they get that new TV and backyard swimming pool NOW!

There's also the type of people who railed against the bank bailouts because there were apparently cool with letting the entire economy implode if it allowed them some immediate emotional satisfaction to see millionaires ruined. Then there are the Paultards who want the economy to implode because they have fantasies of ruling the wasteland aftermath like a king with their hoarded treasure of precious, shiny GOLD!
 
A friend is all up in arms about auditing the fed, ron paul...etc What the heck does that even mean, and what if anything would that accomplish?

Just curious. Please help me get my smart on.

He wants to find the loot the joohs are hiding.

The funny thing is, the tards who are always railing against the FRB, don't even know how the FRB works.
 
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And the idea is that by auditing the Fed, we'll see the money leak and will be able to get the money back from the Reptoids. While no sensible person believes this, there are any number of 'tards on the forum that will passionately defend this conspiracy theory. You'll see them when they show up.

And of course, if the bill passes, and no wrongdoing is found, these folks will admit they were wrong.







(Wrong because they underestimated the fiendish devious nature of the Reptoids, who cleverly covered up their tracks!)
 
Now this is laughable. Dr Kitten, who apparently has not done any reading on the subject, fails to mention that the central bank scheme has been trying to get a foothold since the beginning of this country. That the founding fathers and most presidents commented on the problems with central banking; that Nicholas Biddle publicly threatened to collapse the economy, that the Federal Reserve act was written in secrecy by Aldrich, Warburg et al. Perhaps, just perhaps it has not dawn on her that 1+1=2 or should I say P+M=C (where p = people, M = money, and C= corruption). I suppose Dr Kitten believes that every criminal out there is going to post their intentions in the New York Times, as an argument that conspiracies are non-existent.
 
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And of course, if the bill passes, and no wrongdoing is found, these folks will admit they were wrong.

At the very least any audit will find that the Fed spent/leant money it didn’t have, and they will yell “SEE I TOLD YOU!!!” despite the fact this is exactly what the Fed is supposed to be doing. The Fed increases money supply by buying federal securities, of in emergencies lending it directly to banks, and they do this with money that didn’t previously exist.
 
I recommend both US legislative houses should agree and pass a bill and get the POTUS to sign it before the Fed conducts overnight system repos, in the interests of accountability. Actually a referendum might be even better. Have to be daily at about lunchtime and there'd need to be a quick turnaround before the primary dealers shut up shop, but at least the public could be secure in the knowledge that the FOMC wasn't sneakily attempting to manufacture a housing bubble.
 
Now this is laughable. Dr Kitten, who apparently has not done any reading on the subject, fails to mention that the central bank scheme has been trying to get a foothold since the beginning of this country. That the founding fathers and most presidents commented on the problems with central banking; that Nicholas Biddle publicly threatened to collapse the economy, that the Federal Reserve act was written in secrecy by Aldrich, Warburg et al. Perhaps, just perhaps it has not dawn on her that 1+1=2 or should I say P+M=C (where p = people, M = money, and C= corruption). I suppose Dr Kitten believes that every criminal out there is going to post their intentions in the New York Times, as an argument that conspiracies are non-existent.

Why are joohs always doing everything in sekrit? They sure are a crafty bunch!
 
The rather silly call for "transparency" is really just a call to put Congress back in control of the money supply with an overall goal of destroying the Fed. Paul is even fairly explicit about this, but for some reason, there are an awful lot of populists out there that want the United States to be a banana republic.....

Simon Johnson thinks that America is already on it's way there:

In a normal advanced economy, creating hundreds of billions of dollars in new money would not foster runaway inflation. As long as the economy is underperforming -- for example, with high unemployment -- stimulating the economy will only cause that "slack" to be taken up, the theory goes. Only when unemployment is low again can workers demand higher wages, forcing companies to raise prices.

But is the United States really a normal advanced economy anymore? We seem to have taken on some features of so-called emerging markets, including a bloated (and contracting) financial sector, overly indebted consumers, and firms that are trying hard to save cash by investing less. In emerging markets there is no meaningful idea of "slack;" there can be high inflation even when the economy is contracting or when growth is considerably lower than in the recent past.

If the United States is indeed behaving more like an emerging market, inflation is far easier to manufacture. People quickly become dubious of the value of money and shift into goods and foreign currencies more readily. Large budget deficits also directly raise inflation expectations. This would help Bernanke avoid deflation, but there is a great danger that unstable inflation expectations will become self-fulfilling. We do not want to become more like Argentina in 2001-2002 or Russia in 1998, when currencies collapsed and inflation soared.​
 
I think a lot of the controversy stems from the Feds duty as "lender of last resort."

Remember that the Fed was created in the wake of destructive bank runs. That power to lend to struggling financial institutions was meant to stop the panic, thus the Fed doesn't have to reveal information about those loans.

It makes sense: if the Fed had to publicly report that an institution needed an emergency loan, that would contribute to panic instead of mitigating it.

But this is the source for a lot of the conspiracy theories, "OH MY GOD, WHO IS GETTING THAT MONEY? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW!!!!" And compared to the very public bailouts (Of which the government got most of its money back), it's a pittance.
 
Why are joohs always doing everything in sekrit? They sure are a crafty bunch!

I'm still trying to figure out how you draft a piece of legislation other than "in secret." What's the alternative? Invite the press into your Congressional Office to stand over your shoulder while you type?

I bet Ron Paul's book was drafted in secret, too!
 
Are there any reasonable objections why there shouldn't be more transparency for the currency that affects the majority of people on the planet? Besides those mentioned by DrKitten.

It makes sense: if the Fed had to publicly report that an institution needed an emergency loan, that would contribute to panic instead of mitigating it.
How long does it take to mitigate a failing bank? Perhaps the fed could release this information every quarter or biannually.
 
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