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Atlantis found! (again)

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This is sure to generate claims of Atlantis.

A large block of granite has been found off the coast of South America. As usual, the speculation begins with the merest of evidence: [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2013/may/08/granite-brazil-continent-video]Granite discovery off Brazil may be evidence of hidden continent [/url]

Scientists have discovered a 10-metre-high rock of granite deep in the Atlantic, suggesting a continent may have existed off the Brazilian coast. As granite is usually only found on land, the discovery points to a previously unknown landmass that was swallowed by waves.
That's pretty much it for the news so far. No distance from land is given or depth to the rock.

Of course there's a landmass nearby. Two huge continents, in fact, one of which was discovered ca. 1492, and very well known by now (can't keep it a secret with the Internet). Couldn't the big rock have broken off one of them as they split apart from a single mass?
 
This is sure to generate claims of Atlantis.

A large block of granite has been found off the coast of South America. As usual, the speculation begins with the merest of evidence: [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2013/may/08/granite-brazil-continent-video]Granite discovery off Brazil may be evidence of hidden continent [/url]


That's pretty much it for the news so far. No distance from land is given or depth to the rock.

Of course there's a landmass nearby. Two huge continents, in fact, one of which was discovered ca. 1492, and very well known by now (can't keep it a secret with the Internet). Couldn't the big rock have broken off one of them as they split apart from a single mass?

Not Atlantis, Aliens! Or maybe Aliens built Atlantis? Yes, that makes sense, with technology that is capable of interstellar travel they would obviously build cities out of granite.

:D
 
This is sure to generate claims of Atlantis.

A large block of granite has been found off the coast of South America. As usual, the speculation begins with the merest of evidence: [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2013/may/08/granite-brazil-continent-video]Granite discovery off Brazil may be evidence of hidden continent [/url]


That's pretty much it for the news so far. No distance from land is given or depth to the rock.

Of course there's a landmass nearby. Two huge continents, in fact, one of which was discovered ca. 1492, and very well known by now (can't keep it a secret with the Internet). Couldn't the big rock have broken off one of them as they split apart from a single mass?

I'm not a geologist, but that certainly seems plausible. Regardless of how it may have gotten there, it's a pretty big leap from a 10 meter piece of granite to a lost continent.
 
"As granite is usually only found on land, ..... "

Huh?
 
First of all, if the articles I read have quoted the geologist from our Geological Survey with accuracy, then the way he announced the discovery was quite sensationalist for whatever reason. I also think more data -chemical data- is required before jumping on to any conclusions. It sounds too premature to my ears. Of course, reporters may have selected the "best" parts to build more interesting news. Whatever happened, the headlines and parts of the text can be a bit misleading.

Its actually a plateau, and the collected samples were granite(*) and quartz-rich sediments. Important information I have not found relates to the questions if all collected samples had those compositions and how representative of the plateau's area was the sampling.

Oceanic crust is composed mainly by basaltic rocks, while granite is a typical component of continental crust; that's why they are calling the plateau a "continent" or microcontinent. The quartz-rich sediments indicate probably it must have been at least above base wave level sometime in the past, otherwise no sediment would have been formed from the granite (assuming it was actually the source rock). The odds are it s-l-o-w-l-y was sunken, nothing dramatic.

I think there are two main possible explanations.
1. Its something like Iceland, the product of a hot spot. In this case, the granite would be a minor part of the volume and was created by differentiation of basaltic magma. In this case its not actual continental crust. Its oceanic crust.
2. Its an actual small chunk of continental crust which was isolated from the main South America main land sometime during fragmentation of Gondwana paleocontinent.

Chemical assays and zircon geochronology can provide evidence to back those or build another explanation. Without this sort of data, its nothing but mere speculation. Especially with the current ammount of available information.

(*) "Granite" is a rather loose term; there are lots of different granites. Most are formed (or form, depends how you look at it) continental crust, but some may form at oceanic crust by differentiation of basaltic magmas.
 
There are many people who claim that Atlantis was super advanced civilization which possessed super powerful and advanced technologies (like flying sources, etc).
It is very easy to disprove these claims.
First of all, let’s raise a simple question: how do we know that Atlantis existed, what is the source of such information?
The only original source of information about the existence of Atlantis is the writings of Plato and that’s it – there are no more original sources about Atlantis whatsoever. Today there are myriads of books written about Atlantis, however if you will carefully trace back one author citing another author then you will end up with Plato. Thousands of authors are citing each other making false impression that there are thousands of sources about the existence of Atlantis, however in reality the only original source of information about the existence of Atlantis is the writings of Plato and that’s it.
Atlantis theme is a very good classical example to what colossal scale can reach the game “broken telephone” – Plato wrote several lines about Atlantis, then somebody took the story of Plato and exaggerated and distorted it, then some another man exaggerated and distorted it even more, then some third man exaggerated and distorted it even more, and so on, and in the end you get the chain of thousands of authors who are citing each other making false impression that there are thousands of sources about the existence of Atlantis.
Let’s analyze the claims that Atlantis was super advanced civilization which possessed super powerful and advanced technologies (like flying sources, etc).
Let’s read the original source about Atlantis, let’s read the writings of Plato. Plato writings tell us that Atlanteans had conquered and occupied a lot of territories, and Atlanteans tried to conquer Athens, however Athenians were able to repel the Atlantean attack, defeated Atlanteans and freed other nations from Atlantean occupation. It is important to note that at these ancient times Athenians possessed very primitive technologies, which raises a simple question: if Atlanteans were unable to defeat and conquer primitive Athenians then what was the development level of Atlanteans? It is quite obvious that all claims about Atlanteans possessing super advanced technologies (like flying sources, etc) are false, because primitive Athenians were able to beat Atlanteans.
There are a lot of discussions regarding where Atlantis was located. Researchers are searching for the remnants of Atlantis in various parts of the globe – near Antarctic, near Japan, near Bermuda, etc. However let’s look more closely what Plato wrote about Atlanteans. Plato wrote that “Atlanteans had conquered the parts of Libya within the Pillars of Hercules as far as Egypt and the European continent as far as Tyrrhenia, and subjected its people to slavery”.
Which leads to a simple conclusion – if Atlanteans did really exist then the traces of Atlanteans must be present in Libya and in European continent, because Atlanteans were present in these territories according to Plato writings. However so far nobody has ever found any trace of Atlanteans neither in Libya nor in Europe.
Which leads to a simple conclusion – if Atlanteans did really exist then these Atlanteans were some sort of primitive stone-age tribe which left no traces of any technological achievement.
(source: http://neuroclusterbrain.com/atlantis.html)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis
Atlantis (Ancient Greek: Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος, "island of Atlas") is a fictional island mentioned within an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias, where it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges "Ancient Athens", the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato's ideal state (see The Republic). In the story, Athens was able to repel the Atlantean attack, unlike any other nation of the (western) known world, supposedly giving testament to the superiority of Plato's concept of a state. At the end of the story, Atlantis eventually falls out of favor with the gods and famously submerges into the Atlantic Ocean.
Despite its minor importance in Plato's work, the Atlantis story has had a considerable impact on literature. The allegorical aspect of Atlantis was taken up in utopian works of several Renaissance writers, such as Bacon's New Atlantis and More's Utopia. On the other hand, 19th-century amateur scholars misinterpreted Plato's account as historical tradition, most notably in Donnelly's Atlantis: The Antediluvian World. Plato's vague indications of the time of the events — more than 9,000 years before his day — and the alleged location of Atlantis — "beyond the Pillars of Hercules" — has led to much pseudoscientific speculation. As a consequence, Atlantis has become a byword for any and all supposed advanced prehistoric lost civilizations and continues to inspire contemporary fiction, from comic books to films.
While present-day philologists and historians unanimously accept the story's fictional character, there is still debate on what served as its inspiration. The fact that Plato borrowed some of his allegories and metaphors — most notably the story of Gyges — from older traditions has caused a number of scholars to investigate possible inspiration of Atlantis from Egyptian records of the Thera eruption, the Sea Peoples invasion, or the Trojan War. Others have rejected this chain of tradition as implausible and insist that Plato designed the story from scratch, drawing loose inspiration from contemporary events like the failed Athenian invasion of Sicily in 415–413 BC or the destruction of Helike in 373 BC.
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According to Critias, 9,000 years before his lifetime a war took place between those outside the Pillars of Hercules at the Strait of Gibraltar and those who dwelt within them. The Atlanteans had conquered the parts of Libya within the Pillars of Hercules as far as Egypt and the European continent as far as Tyrrhenia, and subjected its people to slavery. The Athenians led an alliance of resistors against the Atlantean empire, and as the alliance disintegrated, prevailed alone against the empire, liberating the occupied lands.
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There are many people who claim that Atlantis was super advanced civilization which possessed super powerful and advanced technologies (like flying sources, etc).
It is very easy to disprove these claims.
First of all, let’s raise a simple question: how do we know that Atlantis existed, what is the source of such information?
The only original source of information about the existence of Atlantis is the writings of Plato and that’s it – there are no more original sources about Atlantis whatsoever. Today there are myriads of books written about Atlantis, however if you will carefully trace back one author citing another author then you will end up with Plato. Thousands of authors are citing each other making false impression that there are thousands of sources about the existence of Atlantis, however in reality the only original source of information about the existence of Atlantis is the writings of Plato and that’s it.
Atlantis theme is a very good classical example to what colossal scale can reach the game “broken telephone” – Plato wrote several lines about Atlantis, then somebody took the story of Plato and exaggerated and distorted it, then some another man exaggerated and distorted it even more, then some third man exaggerated and distorted it even more, and so on, and in the end you get the chain of thousands of authors who are citing each other making false impression that there are thousands of sources about the existence of Atlantis.
Let’s analyze the claims that Atlantis was super advanced civilization which possessed super powerful and advanced technologies (like flying sources, etc).
Let’s read the original source about Atlantis, let’s read the writings of Plato. Plato writings tell us that Atlanteans had conquered and occupied a lot of territories, and Atlanteans tried to conquer Athens, however Athenians were able to repel the Atlantean attack, defeated Atlanteans and freed other nations from Atlantean occupation. It is important to note that at these ancient times Athenians possessed very primitive technologies, which raises a simple question: if Atlanteans were unable to defeat and conquer primitive Athenians then what was the development level of Atlanteans? It is quite obvious that all claims about Atlanteans possessing super advanced technologies (like flying sources, etc) are false, because primitive Athenians were able to beat Atlanteans.
There are a lot of discussions regarding where Atlantis was located. Researchers are searching for the remnants of Atlantis in various parts of the globe – near Antarctic, near Japan, near Bermuda, etc. However let’s look more closely what Plato wrote about Atlanteans. Plato wrote that “Atlanteans had conquered the parts of Libya within the Pillars of Hercules as far as Egypt and the European continent as far as Tyrrhenia, and subjected its people to slavery”.
Which leads to a simple conclusion – if Atlanteans did really exist then the traces of Atlanteans must be present in Libya and in European continent, because Atlanteans were present in these territories according to Plato writings. However so far nobody has ever found any trace of Atlanteans neither in Libya nor in Europe.
Which leads to a simple conclusion – if Atlanteans did really exist then these Atlanteans were some sort of primitive stone-age tribe which left no traces of any technological achievement.
(source: http://neuroclusterbrain.com/atlantis.html)

=======================
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis
Atlantis (Ancient Greek: Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος, "island of Atlas") is a fictional island mentioned within an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias, where it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges "Ancient Athens", the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato's ideal state (see The Republic). In the story, Athens was able to repel the Atlantean attack, unlike any other nation of the (western) known world, supposedly giving testament to the superiority of Plato's concept of a state. At the end of the story, Atlantis eventually falls out of favor with the gods and famously submerges into the Atlantic Ocean.
Despite its minor importance in Plato's work, the Atlantis story has had a considerable impact on literature. The allegorical aspect of Atlantis was taken up in utopian works of several Renaissance writers, such as Bacon's New Atlantis and More's Utopia. On the other hand, 19th-century amateur scholars misinterpreted Plato's account as historical tradition, most notably in Donnelly's Atlantis: The Antediluvian World. Plato's vague indications of the time of the events — more than 9,000 years before his day — and the alleged location of Atlantis — "beyond the Pillars of Hercules" — has led to much pseudoscientific speculation. As a consequence, Atlantis has become a byword for any and all supposed advanced prehistoric lost civilizations and continues to inspire contemporary fiction, from comic books to films.
While present-day philologists and historians unanimously accept the story's fictional character, there is still debate on what served as its inspiration. The fact that Plato borrowed some of his allegories and metaphors — most notably the story of Gyges — from older traditions has caused a number of scholars to investigate possible inspiration of Atlantis from Egyptian records of the Thera eruption, the Sea Peoples invasion, or the Trojan War. Others have rejected this chain of tradition as implausible and insist that Plato designed the story from scratch, drawing loose inspiration from contemporary events like the failed Athenian invasion of Sicily in 415–413 BC or the destruction of Helike in 373 BC.
<....>
According to Critias, 9,000 years before his lifetime a war took place between those outside the Pillars of Hercules at the Strait of Gibraltar and those who dwelt within them. The Atlanteans had conquered the parts of Libya within the Pillars of Hercules as far as Egypt and the European continent as far as Tyrrhenia, and subjected its people to slavery. The Athenians led an alliance of resistors against the Atlantean empire, and as the alliance disintegrated, prevailed alone against the empire, liberating the occupied lands.
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Nice zombie thread action though
 
This is sure to generate claims of Atlantis.

A large block of granite has been found off the coast of South America. As usual, the speculation begins with the merest of evidence: [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2013/may/08/granite-brazil-continent-video]Granite discovery off Brazil may be evidence of hidden continent [/url]


That's pretty much it for the news so far. No distance from land is given or depth to the rock.

Of course there's a landmass nearby. Two huge continents, in fact, one of which was discovered ca. 1492, and very well known by now (can't keep it a secret with the Internet). Couldn't the big rock have broken off one of them as they split apart from a single mass?


Duhh.
 

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