Atheistic credit to Christianity?

JAStewart

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JAStewart
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Just a thought.

There has never been a secular state allowed to flourish under Islam, but Christianity has allowed this to an extent. Should credit be given to Christianity for this? Christianity, taken to a somewhat extreme, would like for everyone to be Christian, but it doesn't kill, or imprison you for not being so.
 
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I don't feel that you addressed Islam though. Why haven't secularists been able to do the same for Islam?
 
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What do you mean when you say Christianity has allowed this? Are there examples of secular states being founded where Christianity actually had the choice in their being secular or not, and chose to allow them to be secular?
 
I'm not sure in what sense a secular state can said to be "under" any particular religion. If you mean there's never been a secular state where the majority religion was Islam, I think Turkey (presently), Bangladesh (until Islam was established as the state religion in 1988), Iran (until 1979) and Iraq all stand as counterexamples.
 
I wasn't aware that Iraq was secular? Wasn't Saddam's genocide named after a Koran verse or something?
 
Sure, if you wanna claim that everything every Christian has ever done can be credited to Christianity, then sure.

Modern Christianity is "modern" because it was forced to be. Islam was a rather secular and modern nation that allowed many beliefs within the caliphate of the middle ages...too bad they self destructed into fundementalism and stupidity.

Christianity was pulled kicking and screaming from the dark ages to the "kinder and gentler" Christianity nowadays.

Try saying the samething about tolerance to a 12th century Christians and you'd be killed, imprisoned and tortured. You still see the dark and less than accepting versions of Christianity in many parts of the world, the US Bible belt for instance.
 
JAStewart said:
I wasn't aware that Iraq was secular? Wasn't Saddam's genocide named after a Koran verse or something?
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No. Iraq was a secular state. He used the Koran like how Hitler used the Bible, to control the masses. There as nothing religious about the Saddam government.
 
The Ba'ath party, which ran Iraq from 1968 until 2003, were offically a secularist, socialist, pan-Arabic movement. That was one of the motivations for the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, after Iran became an Islamic theocracy.
 
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The Ba'ath party, which ran Iraq from 1968 until 2003, were offically a secularist, socialist, pan-Arabic movement. That was one of the motivations for the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, after Iran became an Islamic theocracy.
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The fact that it was a Shia theocracy might have had something to do with it also, I think.
 
There's also Turkey, and over 1300 years of Islamic history even in places that are quite theocratic today. But it doesn't matter on the Islamic side of this idea anyway because the assertion about Christianity is false. It hasn't allowed itself to become marginalized; it's been getting slowly defeated and losing power against its will.
 
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