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Atheist church has first schism

A'isha

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http://www.spectator.co.uk/features...journey-sunday-morning-at-the-atheist-church/

Some excerpts:

Founded by two comedians, Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, the Sunday Assembly is a symptom of what Theo Hobson identified in this magazine as ‘the new new atheism’, the recognition that the new atheism of Professor Dawkins et al had, in rejecting God, gone too far in rejecting all His works. Churches, the founders felt, had much to recommend themselves — a space for inspiration, reflection, and a sense of community in an atomised city — and they found a willing audience. The Sunday Assembly now has branches in 28 cities across the English-speaking world, with more on their way.

Wait, there's a "new New Atheism" now?

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Three former members of the New York franchise broke away and formed a group called ‘Godless Revival’, complaining about the institutionalisation of what they had assumed would be nothing more than a parody church. The prophet of Godless Revival, Lee Moore, argued that Jones and Evans ‘are trying to get rich from their new-age religion…Moreover, Moore claimed, ‘The Sunday Assembly has a problem with atheism.’

The Sunday Assembly denies any backsliding or apostasy, and argues that, by not focusing on ‘the atheist community’, it is merely trying to be as inclusive as possible. Moore calls this ‘milquetoast atheism’, but it’s not: the two denominations have different definitions of atheism. For the Sunday Assembly, an atheist church is one that has no belief in God; the schismatics think it should be one with a belief in no God. This confessional difference is not insignificant — it’s as immense as the difference between the phrases ‘He was unmarried’ and ‘He was a confirmed bachelor’ in a Telegraph obituary — but it goes unspoken: the new new atheists are no fonder of nice philosophical distinctions, especially not that one, than the new atheists. So now the Sunday Assembly has the institutions and structure of a religion, and the Godless Revival the proselytising faith.

This kind of nonsense is exactly why I avoid joining any organized atheist groups.

The service starts with the Pointer Sisters’ ‘I’m So Excited’ projected on to the back wall. At the prompting of Sanderson Jones, the charismatic leader, everyone stands up and sings along to the small band on stage. Most clap their hands; many are swaying, holding their hands in the air — and, during the instrumental section, where the lyrics are replaced with the words ‘Jumping Break’, some do start jumping. After everyone has applauded themselves, we segue into the next song: Daft Punk’s ‘(I’m Up All Night To) Get Lucky’. On first hearing the lyrics of this song, you might assume that it was about someone searching for a missing dog — and who, amongst the dogless, doesn’t have a dog-shaped hole in their life? — but it’s actually about a man hanging around until a woman is drunk enough for, or otherwise disposed towards, sexual relations. The lyrics have been altered, though: the charismatic leader jumps up and points out that ‘If you change the “I” and “she” to “we”, the song is a lot less creepy.’

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He introduces, first, a reading. Not having any sacred texts, the Sunday Assembly can make use of wisdom from any work of world literature, and today’s reading is taken from the American science fiction writer Terry Bisson, the author of Star Wars: Boba Fett: The Fight to Survive and the novelisation of The Fifth Element. It’s a short story, a dialogue between two sentient but incorporeal entities (aliens, presumably, rather than angels), who are horrified to discover the human brain is made of meat.

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Is your point that comedians and others who try to establish a non-church have the tendency to make fools of themselves? If so, well made.

If it's to somehow to take potshots at atheists, try again.
 
Is your point that comedians and others who try to establish a non-church have the tendency to make fools of themselves? If so, well made.

If it's to somehow to take potshots at atheists, try again.

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As I indicated in my OP (and have said often here), I am an atheist.

I also have a tendency to facepalm at the ridiculousness that exists in the "atheist community", like taking it way too aggressively seriously (like the New York "splitters") or making weird fools of themselves in something that doesn't even really have anything to do with atheism (like the London original).

It's often been said that atheism is a religion like not stamp collecting is a hobby. But I'd sure as hell keep my distance from people who ranted about how much they hated stamp collecting and thought that all philatelists were mentally ill, or people who meet regularly to sing songs together and discuss all the stamps they don't collect and all the stamp collecting they don't do.

It's just weird.

Me too. In fact, not having to go to church-like groups is exactly one of the positives about atheism, in my humble apathetic opinion.

Exactly!
 
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As I indicated in my OP (and have said often here), I am an atheist.

Apologies. Following you in other threads led me to think otherwise.

In any case, I don't see what your examples illustrate about atheism per se. Idiots are idiots, beliefs notwithstanding.
 
So - it's predictable that atheists will disagree about no-belief-in-god vs belief-in-no-god, it's predictable that the Sunday Assembly will run into this disagreement, and it's predictable that someone in the media will latch on to this and label it a "schism".

What are we talking about again?
 
One of these groups needs the words People and Judea somewhere in their title for it to make any sense
 
Do they have an antipope yet? I mean, might as well go whole-hog.

Beanbag
 
So - it's predictable that atheists will disagree about no-belief-in-god vs belief-in-no-god, it's predictable that the Sunday Assembly will run into this disagreement, and it's predictable that someone in the media will latch on to this and label it a "schism".

What are we talking about again?
Do different sects of atheists disbelieve in different gods?
 
I really don't get the whole concept of an atheist church. Why not just keep it as a secular gathering rather than explicitly atheist gathering? Theists and atheists alike would both be welcome to attend.

And why call them churches, instead of something like community groups?

Those interested in attending this kind of thing could hold weekly gatherings in their local community center each Sunday.

Deliberately using terminology associated with religious institutions seems a little silly to me.
 
It's often been said that atheism is a religion like not stamp collecting is a hobby. But I'd sure as hell keep my distance from people who ranted about how much they hated stamp collecting and thought that all philatelists were mentally ill, or people who meet regularly to sing songs together and discuss all the stamps they don't collect and all the stamp collecting they don't do.

It's also said that basing a reasoning on taking an analogy too far, is a fallacy.
 
I really don't get the whole concept of an atheist church. Why not just keep it as a secular gathering rather than explicitly atheist gathering? Theists and atheists alike would both be welcome to attend.

And why call them churches, instead of something like community groups?

Those interested in attending this kind of thing could hold weekly gatherings in their local community center each Sunday.

Deliberately using terminology associated with religious institutions seems a little silly to me.

As far as I can tell, they don't call themselves churches, the media does, and then many of us repeat it as if it were true. At least the OP didn't refer to them as 'mega-churches' which is getting thrown around alot, because they aren't 'mega' either.
 
For there to be a 'schism', wouldn't the group splitting off have to belong to the other group in the first place? Sounds like some folks looked at Sunday Assembly, decided it wasn't their cup of tea, and proceded to do their own thing.

How does that not sound like atheists?

And you can't have 'sects' of theism; so I'm sure it makes less sense to refer to 'sects' of atheism.
 

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