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Assassination of United Healthcare CEO

plague311 said:
Personally I think CBS is being a bit disingenuous. I think the front desk person asked him to remove his mask to match it with the ID in order to check-in. I had to do that a few times during the COVID era. I agree with what you're saying though. He was disciplined enough to go throughout the rest of NYC with a mask on and not revealing himself. To take it off just for the sake of a flirting session is pretty...Cajun (That's a Tom Segura joke).
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I was thinking along those lines, but that's the point of a hostel. Cheap cash and carry, not big on security verification, some low paid young lady working the desk. But it is NYC, and they might be a little more diligent. Kudos to them and her, if so. Those little nuisance ID checks can pay off in ways you wouldn't think.
 
From what I have seen there needs to be a hell of a lot more connecting the person at the hostel and the assassin.
 
Thermal said:
Ultimately, whether it's a CEO of a health insurer, or a presidential candidate getting shot at, or a cop killing an unarmed man, or the Capitol being trashed, it's all kind of the same thing. A lot of people have had it, and want to see the place burn. People should start taking notes. A lot of the population is closer to the line than they think.
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We are all potential Barbarians; foolish to think otherwise.
I am not a pacifist;at times the use of force is necessary ..and to keep the barbarian in check is a major use here...but when people approve a vigilante killer I just want them to know exaclty what you are signing up for.
Of course there is nothing people are more hyprocritibal about then violence; we all condemn it but deep down we often approve it.
 
dudalb said:
We are all potential Barbarians; foolish to think otherwise.
I am not a pacifist;at times the use of force is necessary ..and to keep the barbarian in check is a major use here...but when people approve a vigilante killer I just want them to know exaclty what you are signing up for.
Of course there is nothing people are more hyprocritibal about then violence; we all condemn it but deep down we often approve it.
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I don't think people are cheering him on or "approving" what he did, but no one is losing any sleep over it either. I, personally, don't give a ◊◊◊◊ either way. I'm certainly not going to mourn or be sympathetic to a man who has assuredly put bodies in the ground through his decisions. Just like I didn't give a ◊◊◊◊ Charles Manson died. Ok, bye Felicia.

Also, I don't think you know "what we're signing up for". You're pretty much constantly wrong on everything involving violence, revolutions and the like.
 
dudalb said:
We are all potential Barbarians; foolish to think otherwise.
I am not a pacifist;at times the use of force is necessary ..and to keep the barbarian in check is a major use here...but when people approve a vigilante killer I just want them to know exaclty what you are signing up for.
Of course there is nothing people are more hyprocritibal about then violence; we all condemn it but deep down we often approve it.
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And sometimes it's the reverse: we imagine we might be capable of horrific levels of violence but when it actually comes down to do it, we can't.
 
rdwight said:
Yes, but denials are always going to be a necessity. Single payer is no different in that regard. Again to tie this back to the thread I am mainly annoyed at the use of such as justification, or *wink* understanding...
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Oh, definitely. The UKs system also needs decisions to be made about whether a particular treatment should be offered to all or is just too expensive for the benefit it might deliver. That's sometimes contentious if they say no, but I imagine that's nothing compared to a system where the payer is making decisions about every individual case based on their individual cover and with an incentive to say no wherever possible.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Oh, definitely. The UKs system also needs decisions to be made about whether a particular treatment should be offered to all or is just too expensive for the benefit it might deliver. That's sometimes contentious if they say no, but I imagine that's nothing compared to a system where the payer is making decisions about every individual case based on their individual cover and with an incentive to say no wherever possible.
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In this case even going so far as to have an AI system that just auto denies claims. I honestly don't know what they expected the outcome to be with the way they ran the business.
 
TragicMonkey said:
And sometimes it's the reverse: we imagine we might be capable of horrific levels of violence but when it actually comes down to do it, we can't.
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Nice to think that, but most people are prefectly capable of killing given the right circumstances.
 
dudalb said:
Nice to think that, but most people are prefectly capable of killing given the right circumstances.
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Killing isn't necessarily horrifically violent. I was actually thinking of something I read recently about human bite wounds: they're very rarely as bad as they could be because people seem to hold back, even when they really, really want to hurt someone, when biting.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Killing isn't necessarily horrifically violent. I was actually thinking of something I read recently about human bite wounds: they're very rarely as bad as they could be because people seem to hold back, even when they really, really want to hurt someone, when biting.
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We go through that in sparring and grappling all the time. People are super hesitant to take the brakes off and intentionally try to hurt someone else. It kind of makes me feel good about humanity. The converse situation is also handy to identify the true psychos pretty quick.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Killing isn't necessarily horrifically violent. I was actually thinking of something I read recently about human bite wounds: they're very rarely as bad as they could be because people seem to hold back, even when they really, really want to hurt someone, when biting.
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Perhaps they don't want to break their teeth on a bone. Millions of people have no dental insurance, and health insurance doesn't cover that!
 
dudalb said:
Nice to think that, but most people are prefectly capable of killing given the right circumstances.
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Depends. Pull a trigger? Sure. Stab someone or choke them? Eeehhh... I dunno. I think a lot of people are too far removed from their baser instincts to get personal about it.
 
dudalb said:
We are all potential Barbarians; foolish to think otherwise.
I am not a pacifist;at times the use of force is necessary ..and to keep the barbarian in check is a major use here...but when people approve a vigilante killer I just want them to know exaclty what you are signing up for.
Of course there is nothing people are more hyprocritibal about then violence; we all condemn it but deep down we often approve it.
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I don't approve of vigilante killing. But I also believe that insurance companies cheat whenever they can. If the death of a loved one was the result of an insurance company denying a life saving procedure, I might do as this man did. Frankly, given what I've seen with the Exxon Valdez, Enron, Alex Jones, Donald Trump, the Sackler family, Rudy Giuliani and numerous other cases I've determined that justice in America is an illusion.
 
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