Aryan Nations founder dies, group all but dissolved

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HAYDEN, Idaho (AP) -- The former headquarters of a white supremacist group is headed for the auction block because no one picked up the mortgage payments after the group's founder died in September.

Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler died of a heart attack at age 86, leaving an unpaid balance of $91,486 on the home.

Human rights advocates say the looming sale is one of many signs the Aryan Nations is in decline.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/29/aryan.home.ap/index.html

The White Nation movement and it's variations don't seem to be having much success. The United States is turning more and more into a non White country, it's more than half Hispanic in the Southwest now. Whatever their strategy is it's not really working.

It's strange but talk about racial supremacy gets the most violent reactions of anything I've ever seen.
 
I don't know how to link to my thread under 'Humor' - 'Clorox for White Supremacists' - but I saw this article on Yahoo! - paired with a REALLY unfortunate ad...
 
Some Rainbow group should buy that house and fix it up. Or is that a stereotype?
 
Dorian Gray said:
Some Rainbow group should buy that house and fix it up. Or is that a stereotype?
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In 1987, or thereabouts, the headquarters of the KKK was awarded to the mother of a black guy who was lynched in Alabama by Klansmen.

Anyone who thinks white supremacists are dying out should visit Stormfront and compare their numbers with the numbers on JREF's site. See who is closer to extinction.
 
Re: Re: Aryan Nations founder dies, group all but dissolved

MarksSock said:
That and gay marriage.
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Nah, for that you get outer wrists placed on hips and head weaving. Maybe a protest march or two with artistically rendered banners and signs and fashionably color coordinated garb (over assessorizing is highly discouraged).

You can't really call that violent.
 
In all seriousness, I think it's rather a shame that the Aryan Nation appear to be dying off.
 
They're a valid cultural entity, as important as any other. I think it's a shame that their culture is going to die just for lack of money.
 
It seems a little odd that for a "movement" they can't even pay the mortgage bills on their headquarters.

However, it's ok to publically attack White nationalists and they're not stupid enough to have a headquarters anywhere.

The reason the Aryan Nation organization had the financial troubles was because of an engineered lawsuit by WN enemies, that awarded the victims of an a "assault" on WN property 6. 3 million, yes MILLION dollars!

Here's the story:

The Aryan Nations compound in Idaho, that for two decades spawned some of the nation’s most violent neo-Nazis, was sold on Feb. 13 to a mother and son, whose lawsuit bankrupted the hate group.

Victoria and Jason Keenan were the only bidders in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court sale of the 20-acre property, which had served as a gathering place for people such as Buford Furrow, and members of The Order.

Pay attention to this part:

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a Montgomery, Ala., civil rights group that also represented them in their lawsuit, loaned them the $95,000 cash needed to complete the purchase.

http://www.asianweek.com/2001_02_23/news7_aryannationssold.html
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In other words the people who were "assaulted" never had any money for a lawsuit and had no reason for being around the camp in the first place. They appear to have been a front for the group trying to get rid of White Nationalists.

However, why an unpopular, mostly hated group like Aryan Nation would ever put property in the organization's name is beyond my comprehension. That was an extremely stupid thing to do and they won't make the mistake again - presumably. What they should have done is put the property in the name of individuals or a foreign corporation, which is almost immune to lawsuits. But instead they put it in the name of a REALLY unpopular and notorious racist group.

If the government dislikes your organization and is actively spying on it etc. then why the hell would you put your property in the orgs name?? Dumb dumb dumb. I can pretty much guarantee that Al Qaeda doesn't have the title to any property.


Today, the WN seem to prefer to stick to private meetings and aren't seen in public.

Just because some Aryan "camp" or whatever disappears, in reality it may mean the group has disbanded..... or they don't want the attention of having property in the organization's name.
 
The unique cultural identity of the Aryan Nation will be lost though - white nationalism will still be around but this particular cultural entity will disappear. I for one will be sad to see the death of a culture.
 
From what I've seen of such Aryan Nation people, they usually seem to not have two brain cells between them to rub together. Few of them actually seem to be in paid work much of the time either. So I'm not in the least surprised they couldn't come up with any payments for the building.

Personally, I hope they die out. We have enough warring factions of mindless ideology to consider them anything but a waste of effort. Let them become history - I, for one, won't cry.
 
TwoShanks said:
The unique cultural identity of the Aryan Nation will be lost though - white nationalism will still be around but this particular cultural entity will disappear. I for one will be sad to see the death of a culture.
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Huh. I believe that "unique cultural identity" should be forcibly eradicated. I celebrate Butler's death and wish only that it had been sooner and more painful. Although it was pretty cool that he lived to see two consecutive black Secretaries of State, so there's that.
 
So what you're saying is that people with different views from yours should be killed? That's an interesting one. What other views should be worthy of a death sentence in your opinion?
 
I came up with this the other week in the channel.

Evolution is defined as the change in the frequency of alelles (genes. I can't spell) from one generation to the next. This is accomplished by natural selection, mutation, recombination, genetic drift, and/or gene flow. Gene flow happens when members of a population interbreed. For example, when a population of Spainards intermarry and breed with the indigenous American population.

Hence the "disappearance" of the "white race" is simply evolution in action. :p

I mean, aside from the fact is a cultural concept anyway. What's black in the U.S. isn't necessarily black in New Guinea or Brazil. (As per my Cultural Anthropology text. Nanda and Warms, if you're interested.)
 
TwoShanks said:
So what you're saying is that people with different views from yours should be killed? That's an interesting one. What other views should be worthy of a death sentence in your opinion?
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Silly man. Death is not the only way to eradicate a culture. Suing them out of existence and moving into their buildings seems to be pretty effective in this case; I can't think of a good reason to stop that.
 
Suing them out of existence and moving into their buildings seems to be pretty effective in this case; I can't think of a good reason to stop that.
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An organization is not really the name on a land title, it's the people who make it. They didn't disappear. What you won't be seeing is Aryan Nation on any deeds anymore!
 
If I were to suggest that I hate the Amish and said "I believe that "unique cultural identity" should be forcibly eradicated." would you think this was acceptable?

Or if I suggested the same about Baptists? Or Mormons? Or anyone else for that matter?

How exactly are you deciding which cultures are worthy of existence? Just because you disagree with their views you're in favour of "forcible eradication"?

If I had come on here and said "I celebrate the Pope's death and wish only that it had been sooner and more painful.", would you consider my view to reasonable and justifiable?
 
jay gw said:
An organization is not really the name on a land title, it's the people who make it. They didn't disappear. What you won't be seeing is Aryan Nation on any deeds anymore!
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That was actually very insightful jay. Sometimes it's hard to notice it when you do that.

You're right. They simply change their outer mask, but never change their spots. They cannot be eradicated. They are, no doubt, integral to our continued social development.

Heinlein had something to say about this, but I forget the exact words. The context was clamping down too effectively on the antisocial set not only removed from view the primary examples of what not to do, but the last vestige of necessary change as well; what seem antisocial to most may be nothing more than the last avenue of survival.

Maybe Twoshanks has a good point.
 
There's a vast difference between a "pressure group" whose role it is to not let us become complacent as a society (or perhaps as an example of a bad example), and "useless appendages".

The Amish would be an example of the first - they represent another form of society that we may not agree with, and force us to review our own values, but nonethless are not a totally negative aspect of human culture.

The Aryan Nation groups seem to represent most aspects of society that are deplorable. Like Paris Hilton, they are only famous for being (in)famous. Otherwise, they contribute nothing, while taking much away.
 
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