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Artists - Choose your weapons

Mephisto

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I was reading the Post Your Last Work string and took note of the spat between someone and someone else regarding digital art and traditional art.

I'm far from being a traditionalist, but I am a painter (an airbrush artist, which I'll discuss later) and I personally believe that some forms of art may be quite a bit less difficult to master.

Certainly there have been controversies among artists involving new materials, techniques and tools that have the most traditional screaming, "you're cheating - that's not art!" I know that many traditional oil painters must have insisted that using acrylics (with their easy clean-up, their lack of dangerous solvents, thinners, etc.) wasn't really painting, but eventually acrylics caught on with many noteworthy artists.

The same must have been true with techniques like tracing, pouncing and even the grid system. I have personally heard people complain that using opaque projectors is "cheating," and they no doubt feel the same about using a computer.

I've used an airbrush for several years and I've found a certain stigma among other artists for my choice of tools. Many traditionalists believe that airbrush artists only paint using stencils and involved masking materials. While that might be true of many different kinds of airbrushing (automotive, hobby/craft, and fingernail painting especially), it's not true of all airbrush artists. I've also found the objection by traditionalists that we (airbrush artists) never touch the canvas. That may be true again for some artists, but being a multi-media artist, I frequently work my support more vigorously than most oil painters using tools like electric erasers (on Bristol board), Exacto-knives (on canvas) and sanders and rotary tools (on wood or metal).

I suppose my long rant is leading up to the question; at what point are tools and techniques more responsible for the art than the artist himself? Certainly ANY art requires input from an artist (I've heard of paintings done by elephants that have sold for thousands of dollars), but when can the artist be held responsible for not fully comprehending the intricacies of light, texture, form, composition and all the other things we rely upon to judge "good art."

Before anyone reacts to anything I've said, please note that I have nothing against anyone using Ray-Tracing software, figure animation software or any other digital tools to create their art. I would, however, like to hear (and defend) both sides of the issue.

:)
 
C'mon, no takers?

I can't believe someone doesn't want to weigh-in on this subject. I've heard some heated arguments regarding the use of some art tools, I'm surprised that no one wants to discuss this. :(
 
That's not art, that's practical invention and technical skill.
Those can be combined with an artistic view to create something magnificent that's both functional and beautiful. Or what would you call this?


SigismundArmour_s.jpg
 
I'd call that armor, and it's particularly gaudy. I'd rather have more practical armor, no need for the girlish look.
 
I'd call that armor, and it's particularly gaudy. I'd rather have more practical armor, no need for the girlish look.

Practical for what?

err ok, like a plain vanilla armor that can protect you from arrows, bolt and other nice weapons?
 
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I suppose my long rant is leading up to the question; at what point are tools and techniques more responsible for the art than the artist himself? Certainly ANY art requires input from an artist (I've heard of paintings done by elephants that have sold for thousands of dollars), but when can the artist be held responsible for not fully comprehending the intricacies of light, texture, form, composition and all the other things we rely upon to judge "good art."

I don't think using a spell checker or a grammar checker makes anyone less of a writer.
 
I'd call that armor, and it's particularly gaudy. I'd rather have more practical armor, no need for the girlish look.
Actually suits of armour were always practical; otherwise they would have been useless. And if they fit their owner well and worked well, they usually looked good too. Those brass decorations may be a bit too much for some - after all, that was some sort of parade armour (which would nonetheless have been practical on a battlefield) - but the all those spikes "flutings" do have a practical meaning. Flutings make the plating more rigid and, if the armour is hardened, even make a sword to break.

Here is another armour with lesser decoration, but still representing the same "gothic" style as the one above. Like this one better?

Gothicplatearmour.jpg


And if these things - that were ment to aid you in killing an enemy from close range with edged weapons wielded by your own hands - are not manly, then what is?


(Strange where mentionong a Katana can lead a thread.)
 
Quiet, Curnir! Let him have his *practical* armor.

:D

I do think people can be weird about this. Photography was not accepted as art when it was first invented, and even for many years after. Yet this is now considered art. And if you don't believe it is worth something, just try buying a copy of it. :)

My question is always, Does it make me feel something? Does it convey something, communicate something, in some way? I think there is a lot of crappy stuff out there that just sits there and communicates nothing, but just because of the medium used, it would be called "art".

I've experienced this same prejudice. I cast a lot of my work....... some people think if you have not fabricated the whole thing from start to finish it is not art. (I'm a jeweler, by the way.) I actually can't apply for a lot of shows because my work is cast. Hey, just try it sometime. There is a lot to it. Not everyone can do it very well.

Same thing with an airbrush. They are not that easy to use, and once you master them, you can still paint junk that I personally would not consider art.

I don't think it is the medium, but the ability and vision, if you will, of the person behind the image.
 
It's not the tool. It's what you do with it that counts. ;)

Having tried many different media (pencil, pen, charcoal, acrylic, airbrush, photography, opaque projection, digital art) I always disliked it when someone said using a particular tool or technique is "cheating". I figure the only way to please them as not "cheating" is if you grind your own pigments (which I know some people do) and draw/paint something that's never been seen before.

I'll stick with my tools and still try new ones as they come along, thanks.
 
It's not the tool. It's what you do with it that counts. ;)

Having tried many different media (pencil, pen, charcoal, acrylic, airbrush, photography, opaque projection, digital art) I always disliked it when someone said using a particular tool or technique is "cheating". I figure the only way to please them as not "cheating" is if you grind your own pigments (which I know some people do) and draw/paint something that's never been seen before.

I'll stick with my tools and still try new ones as they come along, thanks.

no, scratching out sculptures from rock with you fingernails is the only true art form :p
 
And if these things - that were ment to aid you in killing an enemy from close range with edged weapons wielded by your own hands - are not manly, then what is?

It's not very manly, as a real man would go without armor and still make the kill.
 
I was reading the Post Your Last Work string and took note of the spat between someone and someone else regarding digital art and traditional art.
First off, this is an excellent topic. It's a curious situation for 3DCG in particular - especially where software rendering and procedural effects are used, to recreate photo or non photorealism. It is far more complex and difficult than merely painting, (but you gain the benefit of actual sets and animatable props). With that said, 3DCG digital art really has a stereotype of looking 'cheaper' than something painted in Photoshop or other app. This is mostly because cinematic 3DCG-derived scenes are always technically impressive and underwhelming (a prime example being the Star Wars Prequels).
 
Art is not manly.

Funny, the Japanese samurai studied poetry AND art as an essential part of their training. Both enhanced and balanced a life that could conceivably be cut short (pun intended) on a moment's notice.

I also teach a Filipino martial art based on stick and knife fighting - just in case someone who thinks along these lines might want to try to assault this "foofy" artist. BTW, I've also taught many Muay Thai boxers and have unequivocally gained their thanks for my teachings. :)
 

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