Armstrong Williams, Maggie Gallagher, now Michael McManus?

shecky

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Michael McManus, a marriage advocate whose syndicated column, "Ethics & Religion," appears in 50 newspapers, was hired as a subcontractor by the Department of Health and Human Services to foster a Bush-approved marriage initiative. McManus championed the plan in his columns without disclosing to readers he was being paid to help it succeed.

McManus makes three. Anyone venture to guess how prevalent this payola is?

What I don't get is why the govt is paying true believers to spout the party line, which they would probably do for free anyway. Why aren't they paying the likes of me big money to shill for president's marriage initiative or the No Child Left Behind program?


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/01/27/mcmanus/

You gotta suffer the commercial to read the article. Sorry.
 
The biggest journalist payoff, I suspect, is Robert Novak's get-out-of-jail-free card (contempt for withholding information in a criminal probe) in his refusal to name his source in the Valerie Plame outing.
 
was hired as a subcontractor by the Department of Health and Human Services to foster a Bush-approved marriage initiative
Just out of curiosity: Is it legal for the HHS to do so? Anyone?
 
shecky said:
McManus makes three. Anyone venture to guess how prevalent this payola is?
Excellent question!

I believe there are groups putting in FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) requests to get documents that might reveal who else got contracts such as these. It's more difficult than it might sound to get the information, since unless one knows the right question to ask, and words it in exactly the right way, one may not get the documents one is seeking.

For example, apparently Williams was not contracted directly; rather, a contract was given to a PR agency which, in turn, sub-contracted Williams. So putting in an FOIA request, even though it's submitted to the correct agency, would turn up nothing if one requested contracts the agency had with Williams. One would need to know enough to ask for their contracts with the PR agency. In the kind of cheap spy novels I read, this is known as a cut-out.

Boy, I wish the president and other top government officials were required to show up regularly -- and be put under oath -- for question-and-answer sessions where they could be put questions such as How many other people did you have contracts such as this with? Who were they?. In order to prevent abuses of the questioning power, it would be clearly understood that the president could refuse to answer any question, for any reason (such as That's none of your business, if asked about personal matters, or That's a stupid and loaded question, if asked whether he beats his wife), but any question he did choose to answer would be under oath and if the answer turned out to be untruthful he'd be up for perjury and possible impeachment.
What I don't get is why the govt is paying true believers to spout the party line, which they would probably do for free anyway.
Perhaps because the White House got a little more than simply columns saying (for pay) what these folks would have said anyway (for free). Williams, as I recall from coverage of this story a week or so back, was the host of some network program, with some say in who got invited as a guest, and part of what he was paid for was inviting administration shills onto the show and feeding them softball questions.

By the way: kudos to Jonah Goldberg, editor of National Review Online (and someone for whom I previously had not come across anything to admire). If what the Salon article reports is correct, he deserves praise for his attitude and actions regarding this matter.
from the Salon article Shecky linked to:
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"If other contracts exist, then the White House should disclose them," says Jonah Goldberg, editor at large for National Review Online.
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Goldberg doesn't buy Gallagher's defense that she didn't recall the HHS payment. "She's doing better than I thought if she doesn't remember getting paid $21,000." He adds, "In the wake of the Armstrong story, she showed poor judgment by not coming clean about this." He notes that the National Review, which also published Gallagher, is revising the language of its writer contracts to make certain that future contributors disclose all potential conflicts of interest.
 
corplinx said:
Sorry, I couldn't follow your link. I don't consider Wilson and Plame to be heroes, or not. I do happen to know that to reveal the identity of covert CIA operatives is criminal (literally and morally). What's taking so long to get to the bottom of this? Why isn't Novak threatened with jail like Judith Miller?
 
Bjorn said:
Just out of curiosity: Is it legal for the HHS to do so? Anyone?


Nope. It's propaganda, and the US Government is not permitted to produce propaganda.
 
hgc said:
Sorry, I couldn't follow your link. I don't consider Wilson and Plame to be heroes, or not. I do happen to know that to reveal the identity of covert CIA operatives is criminal (literally and morally). What's taking so long to get to the bottom of this? Why isn't Novak threatened with jail like Judith Miller?

Not to sidetrack the original thread topic (which, BTW, I believe is not limited to a few media types, but is probably much more prevalent), but has anyone ever supported the notion that Plame was a covert agent during any of this?

The article seems to show her as more of an admin type, and also raises another interesting possibility, in that her name came out during a legitimate inquiry into her husband's behavior and *his* published statements about her, which would seem to provide 2 reasons that no one is being prosecuted.
 
crimresearch said:
Not to sidetrack the original thread topic (which, BTW, I believe is not limited to a few media types, but is probably much more prevalent), but has anyone ever supported the notion that Plame was a covert agent during any of this?

The article seems to show her as more of an admin type, and also raises another interesting possibility, in that her name came out during a legitimate inquiry into her husband's behavior and *his* published statements about her, which would seem to provide 2 reasons that no one is being prosecuted.
Just what possible crime is the FBI investigating here anyway?

Let me tell you something about Valerie Plame. She fronted as the president of an international company that makes very hi-tech valves, one of the only producers in the world that makes equipment that would be necessary to make a dirty bomb. She didn't actually run the company. The purpose of her covert position was to sniff out who was trying to acquire this equipment for nefarious purposes. Thus, by being outed by someone in the White House, one of the best ways to head off what is a very real and serious terrorist threat was blown.

And in the meantime, apologists run amok in JREF wondering if she was actually a covert agent. Don't you wonder why there is an FBI investigation in the first place?

Sorry about the derail, but this is one of the most outrageous apologetic backflips going. Sick.
 
That's completely chickens**t of you hgc. You need to be standing in front of a mirror when you are calling people 'Sick'.

You claimed that you 'couldn't follow' the link someone else provided and when I gave you a synopsis of what it said (because oddly enough, there wasn't a damn thing wrong with the link) in the context of your questions, you come back as though I were an apologist?

Get a freakin' life.
 
crimresearch said:
That's completely chickens**t of you hgc. You need to be standing in front of a mirror when you are calling people 'Sick'.

You claimed that you 'couldn't follow' the link someone else provided and when I gave you a synopsis of what it said (because oddly enough, there wasn't a damn thing wrong with the link) in the context of your questions, you come back as though I were an apologist?

Get a freakin' life.
I know you are but what am I? The article only makes mention that it must be intentional in order to be a crime.

crimeresearch: treason apologist for Republican politicians everywhere.

Back to life, now.
 
crimresearch said:
The article seems to show her as more of an admin type, and also raises another interesting possibility, in that her name came out during a legitimate inquiry into her husband's behavior and *his* published statements about her, which would seem to provide 2 reasons that no one is being prosecuted.
This statement -- in particular the bolded text (emphasis added) -- is bogus.

The article makes literally zero reference to Phlame's position at the CIA. And it makes literally zero reference to Wilson publishing statements about Phlame.

Regardless the accuracy of Crimresearch's speculation, the article does not "seem to show" what he indicates; this falls under the category of whole cloth.
 
hgc said:
I know you are but what am I? The article only makes mention that it must be intentional in order to be a crime.

crimeresearch: treason apologist for Republican politicians everywhere.

Back to life, now.

Which article? The one you claimed you couldn't follow the link to?

And the law that you claimed to know, makes clear that it isn't a crime to name someone when they are *not* working in a covert position.

But thanks for once again outing yourself as a dystopian troll who has to resort to faking another member's posts to trash any attempt at discourse.

Have you ever posted *anything* useful here?.
 
crimresearch said:
Which article? The one you claimed you couldn't follow the link to?

And the law that you claimed to know, makes clear that it isn't a crime to name someone when they are *not* working in a covert position.

But thanks for once again outing yourself as a dystopian troll who has to resort to faking another member's posts to trash any attempt at discourse.

Have you ever posted *anything* useful here?.
HGC, our imaginitive colleague may not be aware that he's been blatantly exposed inventing facts from whole cloth. (He claims to have me on ignore on alternate days.)
 
crimresearch said:
Which article? The one you claimed you couldn't follow the link to?
Didn't work at one point in time, then later it worked. Are you new to the web?
And the law that you claimed to know, makes clear that it isn't a crime to name someone when they are *not* working in a covert position.
Keep on covering for treasonous Republicans. You are so good at it.
But thanks for once again outing yourself as a dystopian troll who has to resort to faking another member's posts to trash any attempt at discourse.
"Dystopian" is non sequitur. Would you care to explain? "Troll" is in the eye of the beholder. If you're getting all worked up by my posts, perhaps you need to find some other free-time activity. I don't know what you mean by "faking another member's post." You say the strangest things.
Have you ever posted *anything* useful here?.
Judge for yourself. What do you need my opinion for?
 
Originally posted by crimresearch
The article seems to show her as more of an admin type
For the benefit of non-subscribers, every reference to Plame from the article in question is quoted below. There is not even the slightest inference that she's "an admin type". If anything, it's to the contrary ("worked in the nonproliferation unit") .

Crim, how can anything you say be taken seriously, especially on a skeptical forum?
recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee
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his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.
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was sent to Niger at the suggestion of Plame, who worked in the nonproliferation unit at CIA
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The disclosure of Plame's identity, which was classified, led to an investigation
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Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip
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Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision
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"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."
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Wilson stood by his assertion ... Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."
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The report said Plame told committee staffers that she relayed the CIA's request to her husband
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earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion
 

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