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Arguing evolution with Jack Chick

Nihilanth

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Nihilanth
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...but not really. I made fun of another Jack Chick comic on my lame little teeniebopper Myspace blog and I need you guys to help tell me if I said something crazy-stupid.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...&MyToken=87dbd1e6-9a13-4815-a4db-2da8cdf730e7

Well, that and the fact that you guys might get a kick out of this. Unless all my favorite JREF forum peeps got replaced by wacko fundie creationists. Wait...where did that Jesus-fish come from? Oh, no, not you guys, too!
 
Ho, dear. "Newton's Second Law of Thermodynamics". As discovered by Newton from beyond the grave in the mid-1860s.

Mind you, you don't know what it is either, do you?
 
I got a particular chuckle out of this line:

"HA! Dinosaurs and people. Inaccuracy number Whatever-we're-at. Can you imagine how many Adams God went through before he realized to keep the people and dinosaurs seperated. "Now, Adam, you may eat of any of these fruits except the tree of HOLY **** that Allosaur just COMPLETELY ate your face! HAHAHA oh **** are you okay?" "

Not bad...
 
Hm...Timmy, it looks like you've been a good boy. You never got into any fights, always did what your aprents said
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Are aprents those voices in my head that only I can hear?
 
The fatal flaw with the "second law" argument has to do with the fact that it is a half truth. If creationists really had a point about this then I'm afraid nothing would be able to develop, not even an embryo. There would be no chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy etc. Creationists who make this claim neglect to add that entropy can be counteracted by the addition of energy. We get energy from the sun (or from geological processes) which fuels things like biochemistry and thus evolution. The second law isn't violated by this because ultimately the sun will burn out and the ordering processes it sustains will come to an end. If the universe is open and continues to expand without check then everything in it will ultimately succumb to the second law and become just a diffuse field of radiation. But for now, at least, the laws of physics allow energy to be moved around within the universe to create order.

Creationists have lots of pseudo scientific "facts" that they like to trot out in an attempt to debunk evolution. One of my favorites is the "hydrogen argument". They point out that hydrogen is released into the atmosphere at a certain rate and that if the Earth was really billions of years old there should be much more hydrogen in the atmosphere than is observed even if the rate of release varies with time. Again they only provide facts that support their argument and neglect the relevant facts that sink their argument. The inconvenient fact is that hydrogen also escapes from the atmosphere at a certain rate. Because H atoms are so light they migrate to the upper atmosphere where they "boil off" into space, swept away by the solar wind. So it is little surprise that we see a small amount of H in the atmosphere.

Steven
 
While I am sure it is not going to make one iota of difference in the battle against Creationism, I did get a big kick out of your response to the cartoon. It had me laughing out loud which doesn't usually happen unless a Creationist gets hit by a bus on their way TO confession.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Ho, dear. "Newton's Second Law of Thermodynamics". As discovered by Newton from beyond the grave in the mid-1860s.

Mind you, you don't know what it is either, do you?
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Yes, okay, I missed that, duly noted, but in my defense that was in the comments section, not the main blog, and anyway I was kind of burnt out on pointing out obviously wrong facts. I did work through an ENTIRE Jack Chick comic, remember? Two, if you count the anti-Jewish one where I just wrote "I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!" under all the pictures.
 
Foster Zygote said:
The fatal flaw with the "second law" argument has to do with the fact that it is a half truth. If creationists really had a point about this then I'm afraid nothing would be able to develop, not even an embryo. There would be no chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy etc. Creationists who make this claim neglect to add that entropy can be counteracted by the addition of energy. We get energy from the sun (or from geological processes) which fuels things like biochemistry and thus evolution. The second law isn't violated by this because ultimately the sun will burn out and the ordering processes it sustains will come to an end. If the universe is open and continues to expand without check then everything in it will ultimately succumb to the second law and become just a diffuse field of radiation. But for now, at least, the laws of physics allow energy to be moved around within the universe to create order.
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You know, I caught that after I had already replied to everything this guy said. Like, long after we'd already gone through our arguments I was re-reading it and thought the exact same thing; by his logic, nothing would be made. Ever. But, then again, Christians can just fall back on "Yeah, unless there's GOD!"
 
Anyway, I'm glad some of you got a kick out of this. I might do some more, but for now I just have the standard geeky thoughts, a horror movie survival guide with broken image links that I refuse to fix on moral grounds, and one other Chick thing that I already advertised.
 
I for one would love to see more of your running commentaries on Jack Chicken-head.

I'm actually reminded of something Mel Brooks said about The Producers.
He was asked something like:
"As a Jew, how can you make light of someone as terrible as Hitler?"
He replied that by making fun of Hitler and the Nazis he was doing far more damage to them and their evil message than if he got indignant. By making people laugh he was taking away Hitler's power.

Satire is a powerful weapon Grasshopper, always use it for good. =0)

Steven
 
I thought it was fab.

There was a time when some of my more Godly co-workers would put Chick tracts in my cubicle while I was away from my desk. I guess my fondness of black leather had "Hellbound" written all over it.
 
Your first two listed inaccuracies are hyperboles. If you meant them literally then they're wrong. Evolutionists/scientists have claimed/said that humans evolved from apes/monkeys.
 
sphenisc said:
Your first two listed inaccuracies are hyperboles. If you meant them literally then they're wrong. Evolutionists/scientists have claimed/said that humans evolved from apes/monkeys.
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When? They claim that apes, and more distantly monkeys, are decended from a common ancestor. This ancestor probably looked more like modern apes than modern humans. Creationists take this to mean we are decended from modern apes, which no sane scientist has ever claimed.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Satire is a powerful weapon Grasshopper, always use it for good. =0)
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Exactly. Although I always feel a little guilty about it; I mean, it's just SO easy. It's honestly a little like stamping on kittens, although I totally have never done that on any occassion and anything you hear to the contrary is a filthy, damnable lie.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Ho, dear. "Newton's Second Law of Thermodynamics". As discovered by Newton from beyond the grave in the mid-1860s.
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Wasn't Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics something about meeting a man of silver (who has changed the colour of nature) in a temple made of one stone
 
The Vampire said:
There was a time when some of my more Godly co-workers would put Chick tracts in my cubicle while I was away from my desk. I guess my fondness of black leather had "Hellbound" written all over it.
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...people still CIRCULATE these damned things!?! I had no idea! I thought all his stuff just existed in his own little vaccuum-sealed world of perfect irrationality.

Anyway...yeah, you're probably hellbound, but it's really not that bad. The company'll be great. Me and a bunch of other pitiful sinners are all chipping in to get a time share on the Lake of Fire...not much, you know. Just a little cabin we can put our feet up in during the rainy season.
 
sphenisc said:
Your first two listed inaccuracies are hyperboles. If you meant them literally then they're wrong. Evolutionists/scientists have claimed/said that humans evolved from apes/monkeys.
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An individual or so may have done.

It's easier than that... we are apes :)
 
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