Aren't you afraid to die?

[1inChrist]

Atheist who knowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared of the fact that you will be banished to the Lake of Fire for eternity with Satan and his angels? Tormented day and night forever and ever. There shall be NO rest for the wicked!

Atheists who unknowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared to die if you believe there is nothing afterwards? Do you know how lonely it would be to not be alive or to not be feeling anything?

 

[Z]

This is one of your most ridiculous posts yet.

1inC, let me first start by explaining that I am not an Atheist, but a Wiccan.

That being said -

Aren't you scared of the fact that you will be banished to the Lake of Fire for eternity with Satan and his angels? Tormented day and night forever and ever. There shall be NO rest for the wicked!

An Atheist doesn't believe in a Lake of Fire, Satan, or any of the rest of this tripe; and you can't be scared in what you don't believe in. Might as well wonder why folks aren't scared of the troll under the bridge, or the monster under the bed.

For my own part, Wicca teaches that Deity loves all Her creations, and that there is no such thing as 'eternal torment'. Sin is dealt with through karma and resurrection; in other words, you are continually given chances to straighten out the karmic balance.

Aren't you scared to die if you believe there is nothing afterwards? Do you know how lonely it would be to not be alive or to not be feeling anything?

It wouldn't be 'lonely' at all - You would not be feeling anything, nor thinking anything, nor experiencing anything. You simply would not be. Period. Why fear that? You live, you die, and that's it. You won't have a memory of life to compare your current state with; you won't be able to think, "Gee, being non-existent sucks." You just won't be at all. That's hardly something to fear - rather, it's a great motivator to enjoy life to the fullest, and make your mark on the world as best you may - for when you are gone, all that remains is what the world remembers of you.

Apparently, YOU are scared to die - so scared that you must embrace a faith proven time and again to be based on lies and mis-interpretations on the off-chance there might be an afterlife. But, to each their own faith. Why do YOU care if anyone here is afraid to die? What does it matter to YOU if no one here accepts your version of the events of Yeshua ben-Yosef's life?

 

[Stitch]

Atheist who knowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared of the fact that you will be banished to the Lake of Fire for eternity with Satan and his angels? Tormented day and night forever and ever. There shall be NO rest for the wicked!

Atheists who unknowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared to die if you believe there is nothing afterwards? Do you know how lonely it would be to not be alive or to not be feeling anything?

Your two conclusions are contradictory - is that intentional?? I am quite happy in the belief that my death is the end, that there will be nothing more afterwards, it is a great motivator to make the most of the time prior to my demise.

 

[MalvernHills]

Umm... no.

Thread ends here. I declare myself the winner.

 

[1inChrist]

This is one of your most ridiculous posts yet.

1inC, let me first start by explaining that I am not an Atheist, but a Wiccan.

This is worse. You are messing with the forces of Satan and are in DANGER. Please stop.

An Atheist doesn't believe in a Lake of Fire, Satan, or any of the rest of this tripe; and you can't be scared in what you don't believe in.

Some atheists know the Lake of Fire exists but knowingly reject His Sacrifice to the eternal Flame.

Might as well wonder why folks aren't scared of the troll under the bridge, or the monster under the bed.

Would you people STOP calling me a troll. I'm getting sick of it.

For my own part, Wicca teaches that Deity loves all Her creations, and that there is no such thing as 'eternal torment'. Sin is dealt with through karma and resurrection; in other words, you are continually given chances to straighten out the karmic balance.

But you are worshipping a false god. His Word clearly states that no other gods shall come before Him.

It wouldn't be 'lonely' at all - You would not be feeling anything, nor thinking anything, nor experiencing anything. You simply would not be. Period. Why fear that? You live, you die, and that's it. You won't have a memory of life to compare your current state with; you won't be able to think, "Gee, being non-existent sucks." You just won't be at all. That's hardly something to fear - rather, it's a great motivator to enjoy life to the fullest, and make your mark on the world as best you may - for when you are gone, all that remains is what the world remembers of you.

But there are MILLIONS of Hellish NDE's. This is proof that there is life after death. Also there are more Hellish NDE's than Heavenly. Why do you not hear of the Hellish one's? Because New Agers have an agenda and don't want you to know the Truth that Hell exists.

Apparently, YOU are scared to die

No I am not. I know I am going to Heaven when I die.

so scared that you must embrace a faith proven time and again to be based on lies and mis-interpretations on the off-chance there might be an afterlife. But, to each their own faith. Why do YOU care if anyone here is afraid to die? What does it matter to YOU if no one here accepts your version of the events of Yeshua ben-Yosef's life? [/B]

What lies? There are no lies. God does not lie.

 

[The Don]

Atheist who knowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared of the fact that you will be banished to the Lake of Fire for eternity with Satan and his angels? Tormented day and night forever and ever. There shall be NO rest for the wicked!

Nope, because it doesn't exist

Atheists who unknowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared to die if you believe there is nothing afterwards? Do you know how lonely it would be to not be alive or to not be feeling anything?

I don't want to die but just because I rather enjoy living. Once I'm dead I won't be lonely because there won't be a "me" to be lonely.

 

[1inChrist]

Re: Re: Aren't you afraid to die?

Nope, because it doesn't exist

Explain Hellish OBE's.
Explain Hellish NDE's.
Explain city workers working down in sewers hearing screams.
Explain the atheist doctor who was terrified when his patients would be revived screaming ''I'm in HELL!!!!''

I don't want to die but just because I rather enjoy living. Once I'm dead I won't be lonely because there won't be a "me" to be lonely.

That's what you think. The Lord sheds a tear for the horror you will face when you die.

 

[The Don]

Re: Re: Re: Aren't you afraid to die?

Explain Hellish OBE's.
Explain Hellish NDE's.
Explain city workers working down in sewers hearing screams.
Explain the atheist doctor who was terrified when his patients would be revived screaming ''I'm in HELL!!!!''

Provide non-anecdotal evidence for OBE or NDE (as opposed to people in extremis merely having dreams/hallucinations/whatever)

How far below ground is Hell ? Are you aware of all the cavers and miners who have descended far lower than sewers and have not heard screams. You have of course read about Project Mohole and the search for the Mohorovicic discontinuity ?

Provide evidence for this alleged doctor and this case. If I were to say I was in China would you believe me ? (clue - perhaps I could be fibbing or mistaken)

That's what you think. The Lord sheds a tear for the horror you will face when you die.

Prove it

 

[Z]

Oh, this post is RICH!

This is worse. You are messing with the forces of Satan and are in DANGER. Please stop.

There is no Satan. Only those who follow Judaic/Christian teachings can believe in Satan. Of course, since your beliefs insist that I am under Satan's influence, nothing I tell you can convince you otherwise. But for me, belief in Satan is no more true than belief in Loki. I can just as easily claim that you are being Tricked by the Norse God of Tricksters, but that makes it no more true.

It's moot to discuss it, of course.

Some atheists know the Lake of Fire exists but knowingly reject His Sacrifice to the eternal Flame.

Actually, atheists don't believe in the entire stchick, so you'd be wrong on this statement.

And those people who DO believe in the Lake of Fire don't KNOW it - knowledge and belief are two different things, my friend.

Would you people STOP calling me a troll. I'm getting sick of it.

Can you read? I was discussing other mythological boogey-men. Was I also calling you a monster? No. I was discussing the trolls that live under bridges and collect goats as they cross, etc.

But, if the shoe fits...

But you are worshipping a false god. His Word clearly states that no other gods shall come before Him.

Actually, several early texts indicated that Judaic culture believed in several deities. The modern God you worship is a combination of features from the gods of Il/El and the southern god YHWH. YHWH supplanted the El/Il of the Old Testament at some point, but carried many features of that God.

When He requires that no other gods shall come before Him, He is in fact claiming first-right: that is, he does not deny the existence of other Gods, but he has claimed the Judaic people as his own, and that they are to pay first respects to him. In fact, this did not deny them the right to respect other gods at all; they merely had to pay the first, biggest, and best tribute to Him, and smaller, secondary tributes to other Gods.

And, just for the record, I worship Deity. Deity is the One that is All. Deity is beyond petty names and labels. Deity presents itself to each believer as best suits the circumstances.

But there are MILLIONS of Hellish NDE's. This is proof that there is life after death. Also there are more Hellish NDE's than Heavenly. Why do you not hear of the Hellish one's? Because New Agers have an agenda and don't want you to know the Truth that Hell exists.

You have some proof, I presume? The general record shows that most NDE's are not hellish at all, except in circumstances of mental instability and suicide attempts. I wish Interesting Ian were here - he's the resident expert on NDE/OBE (but not much else sometimes ). BTW - how do New Agers - who exert almost NO political power anywhere on Earth - suppress stories of NDE's? The world is largely still the property of the Judeo-Christian-Islam Triad - if anyone is 'suppressing' these NDE's of yours, it's them.

No I am not. I know I am going to Heaven when I die.

Good for you! You're welcome to it.

What lies? There are no lies. God does not lie.

God does not lie (possibly), but Man does; and the Bible is written by Man.

 

[Darat]

Atheist who knowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared of the fact that you will be banished to the Lake of Fire for eternity with Satan and his angels? Tormented day and night forever and ever. There shall be NO rest for the wicked!

Atheists who unknowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared to die if you believe there is nothing afterwards? Do you know how lonely it would be to not be alive or to not be feeling anything?

How is someone a " knowingly " or " unknowingly " atheist? What is the difference?

 

[Stitch]

Re: Re: Re: Aren't you afraid to die?

Explain Hellish OBE's.
Explain Hellish NDE's.
Explain city workers working down in sewers hearing screams.
Explain the atheist doctor who was terrified when his patients would be revived screaming ''I'm in HELL!!!!''

please provide non-anecdotal evidence that:
a) They exist at all beyond a delusion
b) That hell / heaven / god and satan exists
c) That a and b are connected

Then we start to refute what you say - at the moment we have a statement that "Pink invisible unicorns exist" and nothing more.

 

[AWPrime]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Aren't you afraid to die?

Then we start to refute what you say - at the moment we have a statement that "Pink invisible unicorns exist" and nothing more.

I make soup of them.



Seriously, as an atheist I have no problem with oblivion after death. Especialy I leave a nice legacy.

 

[Dragonrock]

I see that in this thread 1-inch-Christ is showing his mastery of the "am not/are too" style of debate.

 

[Stitch]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aren't you afraid to die?

I make soup of them.

Cool - what colour do invisible pink unicorns turn when you put them in a liquidiser?

 

[HarryKeogh]

mineworkers are hearing screams from Hell?

Do you realize if the Earth were an apple our deepest mine (or any digging) would yet to have broken the skin.

And were hearing the screams from Hell? I doubt voices can carry that far especially since we all know Satan is much closer to the core of Earth.

duh!

(my 1st and last response to one of this guy's posts because frankly I think he's just having a fun time jerking our chain)

 

[TragicMonkey]

Some atheists know the Lake of Fire exists but knowingly reject His Sacrifice to the eternal Flame.

I realize there's no point in telling you anything, since you've already decided what you think atheists believe, but here it is anyway:

Atheism is not a choice. Nobody sits down and says "I want to be an atheist!" Atheism is what you get when you simply can't believe in the religions. Belief itself, for thinking people, is not a choice. They don't look at the sky and say "I believe it's blue!" They look at the sky and their brains determine that it is blue. It's not an opinion question, and the belief is not controlled or chosen by the thinker. They are convinced because their minds weigh the evidence for them. With more complicated issues that can't be decided solely on the basis of the senses, the thinker thinks. But after he has all his thoughts, his mind still presents him with a conclusion. He believes the conclusion is correct to the degree that his mind accepts the evidence and thoughts. It's still not a choice.

There are no atheists who believe in Hell and Satan and Lakes of Fire. If they believed in those things, they wouldn't be atheists. They'd be Christians, believing in the Christian religion. Maybe deliberately not following the commandments, but still believing in it. You have to believe in God and Jesus in order to reject them. Such people would be anti-theists, not atheists.

 

[Ladewig]

Atheist who knowingly reject Christ:

Aren't you scared of the fact that you will be banished to the Lake of Fire for eternity with Satan and his angels? Tormented day and night forever and ever. There shall be NO rest for the wicked!

An infinite punishment for a finite sin. As a humanist, I believe that "let the punishment fit the crime" is a rational approach to justice.

After reading your other posts (e.g. Garden of Eden) one can only conclude that the God you describe seems irrational to the point of being psychotic.
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Oh, and to answer your question - on the whole, no. I will admit that there are certain ways to die that I am afraid of, but the concept of death does not frighten me.

 

[Tricky]

No I am not. I know I am going to Heaven when I die.

Then you don't believe you are going to die. You think you are going to another place (Heaven) and continue living. The thought of actual death terrifies you so much that you invest a lot of time and energy in maintaining a complex story that lets you deny that you will die.

Christians like you are total whining cowards about real death.

 

[AWPrime]

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Cool - what colour do invisible pink unicorns turn when you put them in a liquidiser?

Bright pink, because the cloaking skin/fur is shredded/gone.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Atheist who knowingly reject Christ:

That would be atheists in the christian culture or others who have heard about Christianity.

Aren't you scared of the fact that you will be banished to the Lake of Fire for eternity with Satan and his angels? Tormented day and night forever and ever. There shall be NO rest for the wicked!

Of course they are not. They don't believe in it. Only Christians believe in HeII. There may be some Christians who lead a sinful life who are fearing HeII.

Atheists who unknowingly reject Christ:

Would that be atheists who never heard of Christianity? No, because then they cannot reject it. Rejection is a deliberate act, so "unknowingly reject" is without meaning in theis context.

Aren't you scared to die if you believe there is nothing afterwards? Do you know how lonely it would be to not be alive or to not be feeling anything?

That there is nothing after death is what all atheists assume. How will it be lonely? It will be the same as not being born. Were you lonely before you were born?

You are obviously unable to even imagine what others believe.

Hans