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Are you sure you're not going to Hell?

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If so, how sure are you?
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About as sure as that we won't be abducted for slave labor by aliens, or hunted down by Zombie Elvis... why do you ask? ;)
 
I'm sure that there is no Hell as described by any particular religious text. The very concept of eternal punishment is inherently unjust, contradicting any actions of a just deity.
 
c4ts said:
I'm sure that there is no Hell as described by any particular religious text. The very concept of eternal punishment is inherently unjust, contradicting any actions of a just deity.
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Only if you believe that God *sends* people to Hell, against the will of the person in question.

Hell is an extension of the rejection of God that happens in life. In both cases it is a choice of the person. God wishes for reconciliation and conversion but it must happen on God's terms, and every human must capitulate and cease fighting. An individual will be allowed to eternally hold on to his/her pride.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
Only if you believe that God *sends* people to Hell, against the will of the person in question.

Hell is an extension of the rejection of God that happens in life. In both cases it is a choice of the person. God wishes for reconciliation and conversion but it must happen on God's terms, and every human must capitulate and cease fighting. An individual will be allowed to eternally hold on to his/her pride.
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What you described is a god sending someone to hell against their will.
 
Sindai said:


What you described is a god sending someone to hell against their will.
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You either live eternally in the grace of God, or outside the grace of God. You can not live in the grace of God on your own terms. Failure to appreciate that is a choice to place your concept of how the universe should operate over God's. So due to this choice you are no longer in the grace of God.

The phrase *sending someone to hell* implies that it is a physical locale created by God. Rather, it is a private place filled only with what the individual brings to it. If you want yourself over God, that's what you will get. Nothing to do with sending. If anything God is just letting a person have what they want most. His/her self.

-Elliot
 
As sure as I can say that people don't know #*&@ about gods.

I mean, just look at the silly rationalizations here, based on a mesh of assumptions for which there is no evidence.

"Look at me, I'm God's Own Sock Puppet! Take my word for it, or you're ALL DAMNED! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Assumes:
* One (or more) GOD(s) exists.
* One (or more) GOD(s) is aware of humans.
* One (or more) GOD(s) has power over dead humans.
* One (or more) GOD(s) exercises that power.
* One (or more) GOD(s) uses that power to "judge".
* One (or more) GOD(s) has a "Hell" to put dead people into.
* One (or more) GOD(s) has more than one place to put dead people into.
* Such a "Hell" is unpleasant.
* Dead people will notice the difference.
* This person knows exactly how one (or more) GOD(s) is going to decide something.
* Because this person presumes he knows everything this/these GOD(s) do, all of their habits, quirks, etc., where they can PREDICT with CERTAINTY a fate as will be decided by one of these aforementioned entities.
* Among numerous other unsupportable assumptions.

If a "heaven" is full of the kind of people who claim to want to be there to the exclusion of people "like me" (who should be suffering forever, after all), then it's a "hell" for having all of them there, and I simply want nothing to do with such people, in such a place.
 
I know because I am going to Valhalla, where all great warriors go when they die in battle, as I am destined to do.
 
100%. Where I'm currently at is multitudes worse that they can save money just by keeping me alive.
 
c4ts said:
I'm sure that there is no Hell as described by any particular religious text. The very concept of eternal punishment is inherently unjust, contradicting any actions of a just deity.
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The original question didn't say anything about a just diety. :p
 
Get real.

We are living in the 21st century and you are still asking about mythology.

Cowards can worry they might go to hell if they don't act right. The rest of us just get by.
 
evildave...I just love your cynical sense of humor :D

But to answer the question: I don't put any stock in such rubbish in the first place, so for me, there's nothing to be sure about.

What's your definition of hell in any case? Muslim? Christian? Buddhist? (I'm not familiar with the Judaic, Sikh, Hindu, etc versions of hell, can anyone help clarify it for me?)
 
Pretty damned sure. At least, I'm praying there's no Hell...


Well, to be painfully honest, no I'm not sure. However, if there's even a remote possibility that Hell exists, I'll probably end up there. There's simply so many mutually exclusive ways to "get out", there's no rational justification for choosing one over another, because you'll probably choose the wrong one. So instead, I choose a worldview that excludes Hell. Talk about a stress reliever!

On the other hand, there are some people who seem very certain that I am going to Hell.
 
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If so, how sure are you?
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Are you sure you're not going to Planet X when you die, to get tortured by evil X peoples?

If so, how sure are you, and why?
 
I am sure until proven otherwise (and not by what is written in a book often used to prove said point)
 
Which concept of hell are you talking about? Even among christians, the concept of hell differs.
 
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