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Are these groups bogus?

Luntoc

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You know some dude just told me that all these groups exist

Political leaders, lawyers, medical professionals, religious leaders, actors and artists, firefighters, and intelligence officers for 9/11 truth.

To go along with:
scholars, pilots, veterens, architects and engineers for 911 truth, and scholars for 911 truth and justice.

Do all these groups really exist are they just making things up? If I wanted to I can come up with radio talk show hosts, camera men, models, and professional wrestlers for 9/11 truth and claim to moderate all of them. I wonder where all these people are in the world since you hear about the same people: griffin, avery, fetzer, bermas, jones, and a few others.
Are all these organizations legit or are they just BSing with us to make their organizations look legit?
 
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Dog Town said:
Almost as much as the threads you keep starting!


PS
How is the "Book" coming along?
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It will be out in April. It's entitled "The 9/11 Conspiracy Theories: Omission, Distortions, and Lies." Took longer then I thought but that's because I wasn't finished with the manuscript as I hoped I would be. Anyhow, I'm currently working on the next one. "The 9/11 Truth Movment: Disturbing Questions About their leaders, problems, and tactics." This book, not so sure. I barely started working on it so I don't know when I will be done with it. I'm hoping by the end of the year. Anyhow, it's the reason for threads like these.
 
Where are debunkers except here? I could use a change of scenery. Let me know.
 
Luntoc said:
You know some dude just told me that all these groups exist

Political leaders, lawyers, medical professionals, religious leaders, actors and artists, firefighters, and intelligence officers for 9/11 truth.

To go along with:
scholars, pilots, veterens, architects and engineers for 911 truth, and scholars for 911 truth and justice.

Do all these groups really exist are they just making things up? If I wanted to I can come up with radio talk show hosts, camera men, models, and professional wrestlers for 9/11 truth and claim to moderate all of them. I wonder where all these people are in the world since you hear about the same people: griffin, avery, fetzer, bermas, jones, and a few others.
Are all these organizations legit or are they just BSing with us to make their organizations look legit?
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Look-up the "appeal to authority fallacy". That will give you your answer.
 
DGM said:
Considering your one of the last remaining "truthers" you should expect it to get lonely. There's nothing left to debunk.
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Or nothing has been debunked and that's why you still login everyday years later.
 
Profanz said:
Where are debunkers except here? I could use a change of scenery. Let me know.
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I think if you go to any website not run by Truthers and start posting the usual Truther stuff you will find that people there will debunk it. Maybe not as thoroughly as the best ones do here, but it will be slapped down.

Why not try it as an experiment? Go to a forum about fly-fishing or stamp collecting or anything at all, post a bit of DRG's nonsense "research" and see how long it takes for them to call you a moron. You might learn something.
 
Profanz said:
Where are debunkers except here? I could use a change of scenery. Let me know.
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How about at NIST, every engineering college and engineering professional organization in the world.

Debating people here does nothing for your cause, nothing. Now should you win over any of the above you will have accomplished something.

I bet you won't though, cause like the rest your ilk you are either a *********** coward or troll.

But should you want to prove me wrong, let us know how things work out.
 
Luntoc said:
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Political leaders, lawyers, medical professionals, religious leaders, actors and artists, firefighters, and intelligence officers for 9/11 truth.

To go along with:
scholars, pilots, veterens, architects and engineers for 911 truth, and scholars for 911 truth and justice.

Do all these groups really exist are they just making things up? If I wanted to I can come up with radio talk show hosts, camera men, models, and professional wrestlers for 9/11 truth and claim to moderate all of them. I wonder where all these people are in the world since you hear about the same people: griffin, avery, fetzer, bermas, jones, and a few others.
Are all these organizations legit or are they just BSing with us to make their organizations look legit?
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Some people on list are made adding without permission or reason. These groups support idiotic ideas and are good for seeing who is too stupid to figure out 911 based on the massive investigations already done.

General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) is on the list at http://patriotsquestion911.com/ but he does not support the delusion of 911 truth, they just list him because they can do it without his permission, and the poor General is not that swift at figuring out stuff, but he has fooled a lot of people. If I was Clark I would sue them for associating my name with moronic tripe. Go ahead look at the list, not a single person has anything to support the idiotic junk that comes from 911 truth.

If Clark wants to be listed at http://patriotsquestion911.com/, then he is a moron on 911 issues. Has anyone asked him? You could for your book!
 
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Horse manure

LUNTOC(t) "You know some dude just told me that all these groups exist

Political leaders, lawyers, medical professionals, religious leaders, actors and artists, firefighters, and intelligence officers for 9/11 truth.

To go along with:
scholars, pilots, veterens, architects and engineers for 911 truth, and scholars for 911 truth and justice.

Do all these groups really exist are they just making things up?"


Champ...let's see, back in the summer of 2009 You stated your book was ready..and were told by myself - a writer by trade - and others, how horrendously inept your idiotic assertion was. You were not even accepted by a publisher at the time...but, somehow, your book was coming out.

Riiiiiiiiighhhhhht

Now, you ask the moronic question referenced above. Indulge me, allow me ask YOU something: If you finished one book of research on 911 truth, and are working on a second (these are your claims)..why in the world don't you know the answer to this basic question? Must be some shoddy research you've done bookman.

We all know why you really asked.

You were a fraud to begin with, and nothing has changed.
 
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I wrote as many members of Lawyers for 911 Truth as I could find. One of them wrote back, "The organizer of the group has resigned, and I do not know whether anyone has taken his place." There is a Firefighters for 911 Truth except none of the members are really firefighters. Them same is true for AE911.

Go check them yourself.
 
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Profanz said:
Where are debunkers except here? I could use a change of scenery. Let me know.
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That's right! 911 Truth is sweeping the nation. Demonstrations and protests fill the streets. Organizations of professionals fill our ears with words constantly. 911 Truth is simply the most divisive issue of our time.
 
Carll68 said:
LUNTOC(t) "You know some dude just told me that all these groups exist

Political leaders, lawyers, medical professionals, religious leaders, actors and artists, firefighters, and intelligence officers for 9/11 truth.

To go along with:
scholars, pilots, veterens, architects and engineers for 911 truth, and scholars for 911 truth and justice.

Do all these groups really exist are they just making things up?"


Champ...let's see, back in the summer of 2009 You stated your book was ready..and were told by myself - a writer by trade - and others, how horrendously inept your idiotic assertion was. You were not even accepted by a publisher at the time...but, somehow, your book was coming out.

Riiiiiiiiighhhhhht

Now, you ask the moronic question referenced above. Indulge me, allow me ask YOU something: If you finished one book of research on 911 truth, and are working on a second (these are your claims)..why in the world don't you know the answer to this basic question? Must be some shoddy research you've done bookman.

We all know why you really asked.

You were a fraud to begin with, and nothing has changed.
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Apparently this is true - here. I suggest you turn on your internet and check their sites for yourself.
 
below are the "Groups" that do in fact, exist

luntoc:

These are the "Dudes" you should be paying attention to

Investigations involving extensive computer modeling of the towers
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April, 2007: Purdue University analysis of WTC 1 collapse using LS-Dyna**More on the Purdue WTC study

"Did the Building Do It?" (Article about Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl/Cal FEA study, Sept, 2006)
Now, as the five-year anniversary of the World Trade Center attack draws near, Astaneh-Asl finally expects to have the results of his analysis published in an academic journal. The project, requiring thousands of hours to complete, was self-funded and conducted by Astaneh-Asl, his students, and analysts from the MSC.Software Corporation, which donated the structural analysis software (MD Nastran and Dytran).

NIST's SAP reference models of WTC 1&2, obtained through FOIA request

LU Xinzheng & JIANG Jianjing Simulation for the Collapse of WTC after Aeroplane Impact. Proceedings of the International Conference on the Protection of Structures Against Hazards, Nov. 2002. 57~60

Weidlinger Report Ties WTC Collapses to Column Failures (Matthys Levy). 10/25/02
The engineering team is comprised of: Weidlinger Associates Inc., led by Matthys Levy and Najib Abboud; LZA Technology/Thornton-Tomasetti Group, led by Daniel Cuoco and Gary Panariello; ARUPFire, led by Richard Custer; Hughes Associates Inc., led by Craig Beyler; SafirRosetti, led by Howard Safir; Hillman Environmental Group, led by Christopher Hillmann and John B. Glass Jr.; RWDI, led by Peter Irwin; Dr. W. Gene Corley, who led the ASCE-FEMA study; Professor Sean Ahearn; and Z-Axis Corp., led by Gary Freed and Alan Treibitz.

Weidlinger Study – Column failures​

Weidlinger study refutes FEMA. Collapse inevitable due to structural damage and fires, not to WTC design defects. (NYT Oct 22, 2002)

First Tower to Fall Was hit at Higher Speed, Study Finds (NYT February 23, 2002)

Silverstein Sending Tower Data to U.S. Agency (NIST/Weidlinger/Insurance Agencies NYT Oct 1, 2002)
Even though the exterior columns all looked identical, both the grade and thickness of their steel varied from place to place, said Dr. Fahim Sadek, a researcher at the institute's building and fire research lab, who is producing a detailed structural model of the towers on a computer using the original blueprints. So there were actually more than 130 different column types, he said, each having to be accounted for in his model. From there, it gets only more intricate. One of Dr. Sadek's detailed models for a single floor -- the 96th floor of the north tower, considered typical -- contains 40,000 separate elements. A coarser representation of the entire tower contains 90,000 elements.

Swiss Re/Exponent Failure Analysis Associates WTC engineering study, Oct. 2002 (Complete copies of the FaAA study are available at Swiss Re by calling 212-317-5663.)

Ming Wang, Peter Chang, James Quintiere, and Andre Marshall "Scale Modeling of the 96th Floor of World Trade Center Tower 1" Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities Volume 21, Issue 6, pp. 414-421 http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3161860#post3161860

Applied Reseach Associates NIST World Trade Center Investigations

Aircraft Impact Analysis of the World Trade Center Towers (Univ. of Tsukuba)

Jay Windley's (Jay Utah of BAUT forum) excellent explanation of Finite Element Analysis

Structure Magazine: Computer Modeling of the Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers (March, 2007)

CAD Digest article with CAD graphics (September, 2001) G. Charles Clifton

NIST's SAP reference models of WTC 1&2, obtained through FOIA request



More on WTC engineering, articles by and about engineers
who worked on the buildings and on the investigations​

STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AT GROUND ZERO – NCSEA (August Domel, Nov. 2001)

The Days After, the Days Ahead: Civil engineers respond to 9/11 Attacks (Civil Engineering, Nov. 2001)

Structural engineers first in the aftermath

Civil Engineering Magazine: Dissecting the Collapses

Articles in the National Academy of Engineering's "The Bridge" Spring, 2002 (PDF):

  • Editorial: Engineering and Homeland Defense by George Bugliarello
  • World Trade Center “Bathtub”: From Genesis to Armageddon by George J. Tamaro The engineer who oversaw the construction of the World Trade Center “bathtub” describes the recovery efforts.
  • A 911 Call to the Engineering Profession by Robert Prieto The events of September 11 challenged the future of our heavily engineered environment and the future of the engineering profession.
Early Structural Investigation Teams (through 5/02)

ASCE WTC Disaster Response Team

Engineer Tim Schenck on early GZ work

Multidisciplinary Center for Earthquake Engineering Research (MCEER) The World Trade Center Terrorist Attack: Damage to Critical Facilities and Crisis Response

Georgia Tech Engineering Team Will Conduct Post-Disaster Assessment at World Trade Center Attack Site

Architecture Week: Engineers Explain Collapses (5/2002)

Towers Lost and Beyond: 8 Articles by MIT researchers 2001-2002.

Civil Engineer: WTC & Pentagon Links Portal

Blog: Civil & structural engineers on WTC collapse

Forum on Technical Implications of WTC Collapses (Columbia U., November, 2001)

MIT Masters Thesis: WTC Disaster Analysis & Recommendations (June, 2005)

Designing tall buildings to Resist Earthquakes ($ NYT 2002)

Institute of Structural Engineers: Safety in tall buildings and other buildings of large occupancy ($ 2002)
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