Are 9/11 Truthers, Conspiracy Theorists?

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My question is, if 9/11 twoofers can be seen as real Conspiracy Theorists (Illuminati, NWO, FEMA Concentration Camps, Zionism, ect...)? Since most of them only believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
 
I'm always bad with giving good title names, so.

My question is, if 9/11 twoofers can be seen as real Conspiracy Theorists (Illuminati, NWO, FEMA Concentration Camps, Zionism, ect...)? Since most of them only believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

In my experience they're keen on all manner of CTs, not just 9/11. It seems to be an attitude that often happens to encompass 9/11 rather than be limited to it.

Before they mostly fizzled out, the more popular old 9/11 Truth forums typically had sub-forums dealing with the chemtrails, Apollo hoax etc etc and the Truther regulars would pretty regular in support of those CTs too.
 
I reject the premise of your question that "most of them only believe that 9/11 was an inside job." I have not found that to be true myself.

I do not recall ever encountering a 9/11 CT who - if the discussion progressed to that point - didn't profess at least sympathy for other CT's ranging from Holocaust denial, aliens and secret bases, Moon landing hoax, NWO/Illuminati, Kennedy assassination, HAARP, etc, etc, etc,..

My interest and active participation in 9/11 CT discussion began after Obama took office, which means by the time I got into it most of the genuine truthers had by then found the truth they were looking for and went away satisfied (or lost interest because the hated GWB was gone). Those folks were probably 9/11 focused.

What were left from about 2009 are the same as what we have now, an ever shrinking pool of pathological theorizers with an ingrained distrust of authority combined with limited critical thinking skills. Those characteristics are common to the vast majority of CT's so it is no surprise that the remaining 9/11 CT believers (I have not encountered a genuine truther in years) tend to also have interest in other CT's.

Or in other words, the same limitations that get people involved in one CT will tend to suck them into others.
 
I agree, Mark: I'd be very surprised to find someone who "only believe(s) that 9/11 was an inside job" -- so surprised that anyone making that claim would have to convince me. These are people who are literally only limited by their imagination.
 
I've never met a CTist who didn't believe a whole range of nutty theories, and one of musician friends admits he believes in all of them - even contradictory accounts on the same subject.
 
Even if the premise that "most of them only believe that 9/11 was an inside job" was true, why would that exclude them from the class of people known as conspiracy theorists? They still believe in an alternative explanation for a historical event that presupposes a hidden conspiracy, and requires all the same sorts of evidence denial and spin as other traditional CTs. They may be specialist rather than generalist CTists, but they're still CTists.
 
I have been following a monthly 9/11 Truthers event for a while now - a teleconference, held on the last wednesday of each month, hosted by Ken Freeland, with Craig McKee as secretary.



This event used to be called "The 9/11 Truth Teleconference". The name has changed to "The 9/11 And Other Deep State Crimes Teleconference"
http://www.houston911truth.net/9-11TruthTeleconferenceArchives.html

Frequent participants are
  • Wayne Coste of AE911Truth
  • Dwain Deets, formerly a board member of AE911T
  • Dave Slesinger, formerly of AE911T
  • Barbara Honegger
  • Adam Syed
  • James Hufferd
Featured guests have included
  • Niels Harrit
  • Mark Basile
  • Massimo Mazzucco
  • Christopher Bollyn
  • Ed Haslam

And guess what - they are debating JFK, Apollo, they have featured James Fetzer, that Jack of all CTs.

"Other Deep State Crimes" is really just a code for a base belief that government conspiracies on many levels are the rule, not the exception. This appears to be consensus among all these "9/11 researchers and activists".
 
I agree, Mark: I'd be very surprised to find someone who "only believe(s) that 9/11 was an inside job" -- so surprised that anyone making that claim would have to convince me. These are people who are literally only limited by their imagination.

Conspiracy Theories are like salted peanuts or potato chips...it is almost impossible to stop with just one.
 
It's hard to accept that the authorities lied and conspired to pull of and cover up 9/11 and think that all manner of other big stories were not of the same ilk... so what you see is the
"deep state" running conspiracies all over the place for decades going back to JFK... The deep state is the thread that connects all conspiracies.
 
Even if the premise that "most of them only believe that 9/11 was an inside job" was true, why would that exclude them from the class of people known as conspiracy theorists? They still believe in an alternative explanation for a historical event that presupposes a hidden conspiracy, and requires all the same sorts of evidence denial and spin as other traditional CTs. They may be specialist rather than generalist CTists, but they're still CTists.

My thoughts exactly.

How many deep conspiracies does one need to believe as true, before one is labeled a Conspiracy Theorist?
 
I'm always bad with giving good title names, so.

My question is, if 9/11 twoofers can be seen as real Conspiracy Theorists (Illuminati, NWO, FEMA Concentration Camps, Zionism, ect...)? Since most of them only believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

I have found most truthers to be highly receptive to all CT's. Several I engage are also Holocaust deniers, Moon Landing Hoaxers, Sandy Hook Hoaxers and Chemtrailers.
 
I'm always bad with giving good title names, so.

My question is, if 9/11 twoofers can be seen as real Conspiracy Theorists (Illuminati, NWO, FEMA Concentration Camps, Zionism, ect...)? Since most of them only believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

Just read through the longer, older, and newer threads. You'll see that as the conversations get longer most Truthers reveal themselves to believe other CTs. 9-11 has joined the JFK Assassination as a gateway CT from which they branch off into others as their reasoning skills are degraded by woo.
 
It is not our place to decide which Woo is the true Woo, but to treat all Woo as the Woo Cters do.
All the 9/11 truthers I have had more than one conspiracy theory.
 
Of course, some CTs have been proven true, where does that place your theory?
 
Of course, some CTs have been proven true, where does that place your theory?
Most "proven true" Conspiracies, like 19 terrorists who did 911, are solved in days, before idiotic Conspiracy Theories start.

Where is your true CT? lol, that is funny. Like you 911 truth ones? The alive terrorists, or the can't figure out which planes? Proven true yet?

Which one? CT that are true are not CTs, they are just Conspiracies... Like Watergate, solved in less than a year;
Whereas the 911 truth CTs are still BS and fantasy after 14 years of BS?
 
Of course, some CTs have been proven true, where does that place your theory?

Such as,...?

Conspiracy theories (CT's) are conjectures formulated based on ideology to reinforce pre-existing belief. They start with the conclusion, then work the problem backwards, cherry-picking "evidence" (usually single anomalies removed from proper context) that seems to fit the pre-conceived conclusion, ignoring what doesn't and manipulating, distorting or inventing whatever is necessary to fill the gaps. We see this again and again.

This is quite the opposite of how real investigation works.
 
There is a huge difference between a Conspiracy and Conspiarcy Theories.
A good example if the Lincoln Assisanation. There was indeed a Conspriacy to kill Lincoln, but it was done by a very small group of about half a Dozen:John Wilkes Booth and his flunkies. THat is a proven conspiracy.
BUt there are dozens of theories without any proof that the conspiracy was more widespread;involving everybody..according to which theory you look at...from Secretary of War Stanton to The ROman Cathollic Church to the Rothschilds. That is a Conspriacy Theory.
 
I believed the official story until 2013. I knew it much better than the average American, and I believed it. I did think the Bush Administration let 9/11 happen by not stopping Bin Laden, but that was the extent of what I believed their involvement was. There is plenty of evidence to support my conclusion. I'm not going to debate this. The evidence is there, and it has been widely documented in the mainstream media.

I was not looking for "truth"; it just crossed my path without me wanting it to happen, or even knowing that I didn't already know the truth. I ran across the film "Loose Change" the day I subscribed to Netflix, and decided to watch it to see what nutjobs were saying about 9/11. I went into it critical of every word it uttered, every point of "evidence" it produced, and every conclusion it made. After watching it, nothing changed my mind. I was still convinced the CT'ers were paranoid nutjobs with nothing better to do.

I then found another video called "Plane truth", or something similar to that title. This documentary made the nutjobs behind "Loose Change" seem perfectly sane.

After watching both videos my opinion was not immediately changed, but I kept thinking about what I had seen. There was one event, featured in both videos, that I just could not ignore. The conclusions made by the video's producers and directors were not what stuck in my mind. What stuck in my mind was what I saw with my own eyes. I knew I saw one thing, and I was being told something different from what I observed.

I spent the next two years researching 9/11. I avoided any site that had anything to do with JFK, UFO's, NWO, illuminati, or anything similar. Believe me, it was difficult, because most of what you find about 9/11 is found on CT'er sites. Anything I found on a site that had any CT'er material was deemed not credible, even if it was saying the same thing I found on a credible site. In other words, CT'er sites might actually have correct information, but I ignored it if they were saying it. I never used CT'er sites to corroborate information. The only exception was if a CT'er site was hosting material in the exact same form that could be found on a credible site. In that case, I simply considered the CT'er site a mirror.

After two years of extensive research, I was able to accept the truth. It wasn't easy, because it went against everything I previously believed. The truth is, simply, that WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 were destroyed by CD. This does not make me a CT'er. This makes me someone who listens to independent engineers and architects. You can call me a truther, but don't call me a CT'er because I know CD brought down the WTC buildings. Now, you CAN call me a CT'er based on who I think is responsible. That's beyond the scope of this thread, so I'm not going to get into it.

I think a truther is someone who examines the evidence and realizes the buildings were destroyed by CD. A truther wants a real investigation to find out who was responsible. A CT'er expands on the truther's beliefs and thinks they already know who did it.
 
The truth is, simply, that WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 were destroyed by CD. This does not make me a CT'er.
Yes it does.


This makes me someone who listens to independent engineers and architects.
You don't. You listen to CT'er engineers and architects. You're ignoring everything that the independent engineers and architects in this forum are saying.
 
I believed the official story until 2013. I knew it much better than the average American, and I believed it. I did think the Bush Administration let 9/11 happen by not stopping Bin Laden, but that was the extent of what I believed their involvement was.

Oh boy...

There is plenty of evidence to support my conclusion.

No there isn't.


I'm not going to debate this.

Because you can't.


I was not looking for "truth"; it just crossed my path without me wanting it to happen, or even knowing that I didn't already know the truth. I ran across the film "Loose Change" the day I subscribed to Netflix, and decided to watch it to see what nutjobs were saying about 9/11.

You do know that the guys who made it don't believe it any more, right?

I then found another video called "Plane truth", or something similar to that title. This documentary made the nutjobs behind "Loose Change" seem perfectly sane.

Another winner.


I spent the next two years researching 9/11. I avoided any site that had anything to do with JFK, UFO's, NWO, illuminati, or anything similar. Believe me, it was difficult, because most of what you find about 9/11 is found on CT'er sites. Anything I found on a site that had any CT'er material was deemed not credible, even if it was saying the same thing I found on a credible site. In other words, CT'er sites might actually have correct information, but I ignored it if they were saying it. I never used CT'er sites to corroborate information. The only exception was if a CT'er site was hosting material in the exact same form that could be found on a credible site. In that case, I simply considered the CT'er site a mirror.

If you found it on a CT site that should have been where you stopped.



After two years of extensive research

Detail this. My guess is that it didn't involve going to a junior college to bone up on physics.


The truth is, simply, that WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 were destroyed by CD. This does not make me a CT'er.

Yes. Yes it does indeed make you a CTer.

You have fooled yourself into believing a lie. There is zero evidence of controlled demolition at Ground Zero. None, nada, niente, Jack-Squat.



This makes me someone who listens to independent engineers and architects.

You listen to boneheads. Almost none of those clowns are qualified to make assessments on any of the data.


You can call me a truther, but don't call me a CT'er because I know CD brought down the WTC buildings.

You don't know this. You have fooled yourself into believing it, but it is not based on actual evidence.

I don't know physics or structural engineering well enough to argue the fine points about collapse, but I don't have to in the case of 9-11. The trigger for all three collapses was the impact of passenger jets, and then the collapse of WTC-1 into WTC-7. WTC-1 and WTC-2 were mostly identical buildings, and were struck by identical aircraft with largely identical results. The fact that WTC-2 fell first is a huge hint into the forces involved with the collapse as it was struck lower that WTC-1 and had more weight above it.


I think a truther is someone who examines the evidence

...but refuses to admit that they cannot understand the evidence in context.

and realizes the buildings were destroyed by CD.

Because Conspiracy!


A truther wants a real investigation to find out who was responsible.

We already know, they've confessed and bragged about it. A Troofer wants a Kangaroo Court.

A CT'er expands on the truther's beliefs and thinks they already know who did it.

Which you just admitted you have done, making you a CTer.

Circles are fun.
 

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