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Arab anger at Iraq torture photos

Tony

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3683067.stm ...full article


On the Arabic satellite channels, it's "all torture, all the time" - wall-to-wall coverage of the photographs, the graphic images flooding into homes across the region.

The US has repeatedly criticised al-Jazeera's coverage in Iraq
"The situation has not changed in Iraq; only the prison warder is different," said one report on al-Arabiya.
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Do the "opinions" expressed in the muslim world really have that much credibility?
 
Yes -- so long as stupid US actions -- like prisoner abuse -- can be used as a recruiting poster for OBL and Al Qeda.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Yes -- so long as stupid US actions -- like prisoner abuse -- can be used as a recruiting poster for OBL and Al Qeda.
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I'm glad it's settled that fake photos in the Daily Mirror, a UK newspaper, are proof of US abuse.

Now, where can I go to get my lobotomy?
 
Where were the chanting, dancing, cackling, stone-age freaks when our POWs were having their eardrums punctured 13 years ago?
 
Do the "opinions" expressed in the muslim world really have that much credibility?

Well, you can't deny the opinion of most Arab rulers about torture is based on years of experience.
 
Is anyone surprised this is getting so much attention??? When you take the moral highground you better be squeaky clean. Ask Jesse Jackson or Pat Robertson.

This type of overblown outrage happens all the time. Remember that one piece of footage showing about 20 Palistianians celebrating the 911 attacks??? That was played to death until it turned into "all arabs are happy about 911."

The press feeds off of contraversy no matter where they are at.
 
Tmy said:
Is anyone surprised this is getting so much attention??? When you take the moral highground you better be squeaky clean. Ask Jesse Jackson or Pat Robertson.
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In the case of Jesse Jackson, only if "squeaky clean" means that you don't actually knock up a volunteer. It doesn't sound terribly squeaky to me. He could have used a condom and some spermatocide.

(Note for UK friends: "knock up" means "cause to become pregnant," not "awaken with a knock on the door.")
 
Well, which is better? Getting humiliated by US and British troops or getting burned, chopped into pieces and dragged along a Fallujah highway by a mob of angry muslims?

I don't think whoever's angry at those pics - wether they're real or not - have much of a case.
 
Frostbite said:
Well, which is better? Getting humiliated by US and British troops or getting burned, chopped into pieces and dragged along a Fallujah highway by a mob of angry muslims?

I don't think whoever's angry at those pics - wether they're real or not - have much of a case.
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Dead men tell no tales.
 
epepke said:


In the case of Jesse Jackson, only if "squeaky clean" means that you don't actually knock up a volunteer. It doesn't sound terribly squeaky to me. He could have used a condom and some spermatocide.
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That's kinda the point. Jackson and Robertson have both faced public scandal for saying/doing stuff that is substantially less than moral. Why? Because they play the "more moral than thou" game. You play that game and mess it up, it WILL bite you in the @$$.
 
Frostbite said:
Well, which is better? Getting humiliated by US and British troops or getting burned, chopped into pieces and dragged along a Fallujah highway by a mob of angry muslims?

I don't think whoever's angry at those pics - wether they're real or not - have much of a case.
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Good point.

Some of our guys get killed and dragged through the streets and no one is concerned with the muslims or arab image and in fact any negative attitudes are regarded as "racist".

Some people even went so far as to excuse the killings in Falluja in light of the prison photos.
 
Cleon said:


That's kinda the point. Jackson and Robertson have both faced public scandal for saying/doing stuff that is substantially less than moral. Why? Because they play the "more moral than thou" game. You play that game and mess it up, it WILL bite you in the @$$.
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sigh....

Morality, at least sexual morality, has little to do with it. Jesse Jackson could have avoided all controversy if he had just wrapped his weenus. Hell, Magic Johnson is practically a National Hero for getting HIV from thousands of unprotected anal encounters with female fans. Have you ever heard any mention of the women that he might have given HIV to? Coz' I haven't.
 
Originally posted by epepke
Dead men tell no tales.
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Good point. It seems we are trying to adopt this weird standard of war where it's okay to kill someone, but not okay to be unkind to them.
 
Mycroft said:
Good point. It seems we are trying to adopt this weird standard of war where it's okay to kill someone, but not okay to be unkind to them.
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Indeed. Even if the faked pics were real, I've never been urinated on, unless you count dogs, but I have had menstrual blood on me on numerous occasions. I've even used it as a gag. Looking down at my nether regions, I say, "Man, I look like John Wayne Bobbitt." I survived, though.

As far as the BBC text talking about Islamic cultures as valuing modesty and respect, I wonder to whom. It's like a movie I had to watch as part of driving training in High School, including an armless and headless female corpse ostensibly an accident victim but they put a bra on her, lest anyone be offended by the image.

My simplistic view on war is that it is sometimes necessary, and it is sometimes the right thing to do, but we should always hate it. We should always understand that it kills people, and that in order to do it, we have to train people to become killers.
 
fishbob said:


Credibility doesn't matter much for recruiting for OBL and Al Queda.
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By all reports, they've got some kickin' recruitment tapes. I wish I could get one.
 
Mycroft said:
Good point. It seems we are trying to adopt this weird standard of war where it's okay to kill someone, but not okay to be unkind to them.
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It's new to have standards of war relating to treatment of people that have surrendered or been captured? Is this really a totally new concept to you?

Or are you just angry about 9-11 and enjoy hearing about people that you associate with that attack, suffering? I accept that this is a very natural response, but is it a basis for sound policy?
 
Tony said:

Do the "opinions" expressed in the muslim world really have that much credibility?
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Remember how dependant your country is upon oil.

Saudi Arabia looks like it might be getting tired of playing games with the US, which may help explain why the US wanted to install a sympathetic government in Iraq. But if the US can't do this, her going to be paying extra $$ for her oil... Unless she can demonstrate there's a reason why the Islam nations should od her any favours.
 
Re: Re: Arab anger at Iraq torture photos

Remember how dependant your country is upon oil.

Well, if the US is so dependant on oil, what is wrong with fighting a war to ensure its supply, like you claim the war in Iraq is?
 
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