Anti-Vax film "Trace Amounts" at Seattle FF sponsored by Chipotle

[portlandatheist]

The Seattle 40th annual Film Festival is featuring an Anti-Vax film titled "Trace Amounts" and the film is sponsored by Chipotle Mexican Grill.
http://www.siff.net/festival-2014/trace-amounts
Yup, the Autism/vaccine connection. They would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for a concerned citizen traveling the country in his RV pursuing the case.

After recovering from a mysterious and devastating illness, director Eric Gladen started researching the science behind autoimmune diseases. His research led him straight into one of the biggest medical controversies of all time: whether or not childhood vaccines cause autism. However—his film is not an anti-vaccine film. He doesn’t concentrate on the vaccines themselves but on something that belongs nowhere near them; on mercury, part of the ingredients used as a preservative in vaccines. Eventually, Eric decided to quit his career, moving into an RV and traveling the country for years in order to interview experts and piece together thousands of studies and leaked documents. When the puzzle was finally complete, the answer was very clear to him. He believes that mercury is the trigger for psychological and neurological autoimmune conditions and autism. His film presents interviews with specialists in the field, as well as specific scientific research and experiments that show how dangerous mercury is. At the very least, his documentary creates a platform for open dialogue for all aspects of this issue, for or against, in hopes of enlightening the public.

That's why I avoid salt: It contains toxic Chlorine gas. I also avoid water because Hydrogen, an ingredient of water, is explosive.

 

[Estellea]

Looks riveting. I guess all that travelling and interviewing didn't instill much in the way of critical-thinking skills and um actually understanding what ethyl mercury is and the piteously small amount in a vaccine. I wonder if Captain Mercury eats fish.

Este

 

[ehcks]

The difference between ethyl and methyl mercury is similar to the difference between ethyl and methyl alcohol.

Just a little bit of chemistry knowledge would help him out a lot.

 

[EHocking]

I wouldn't be so dismissive of the potential effectiveness of this film.

Gasland was a highly effective piece of hyterical, agenda-driven disinformation.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Fortunately, not-supporting Chipotle's will be no big deal.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I wouldn't be so dismissive of the potential effectiveness of this film.

Gasland was a highly effective piece of hyterical, agenda-driven disinformation.

So fracking earthquakes in OK and flammable gas that comes out of the tap aren't real? Because they look damn real.

 

[LTC8K6]

So fracking earthquakes in OK and flammable gas that comes out of the tap aren't real? Because they look damn real.

You thought methane in the water was a new thing since fracking?

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/06/theres-methane-in-your-drinking-water-so-what.html

 

[EHocking]

So fracking earthquakes in OK and flammable gas that comes out of the tap aren't real? Because they look damn real.

As I said - a very effective agenda driven piece of disinformation.

Rather than derailing this thread there are already threads on the subject of the movie and the ins and outs of the actual science and evidence.

Gasland’s Fracking Nonsense

Gasland movie and fracking

 

[sopclod]

I love Chipotle, ate there today!

According to their facebook page, they are a sponsor of the film festival, not any particular film:

https://www.facebook.com/chipotle/posts/10152388825339253

 

[portlandatheist]

I love Chipotle, ate there today!

According to their facebook page, they are a sponsor of the film festival, not any particular film:

https://www.facebook.com/chipotle/posts/10152388825339253

That's a relief!

 

[Venom]

I love Chipotle, ate there today!

According to their facebook page, they are a sponsor of the film festival, not any particular film:

https://www.facebook.com/chipotle/posts/10152388825339253

Wow what a relief...

 

[Magellan35]

Watched it?

So...no one here has actually watched the movie? I did, and can't find any significant flaws in the claims made or science that backs them. It's all there in PubMed and PLoS, so I'm curious, am I really a skeptic if I condemn the movie because it goes against my preconceived ideas?

 

[marplots]

So...no one here has actually watched the movie? I did, and can't find any significant flaws in the claims made or science that backs them. It's all there in PubMed and PLoS, so I'm curious, am I really a skeptic if I condemn the movie because it goes against my preconceived ideas?

Depends on what supports your preconceived ideas. Much of what constitutes being a skeptic is balancing conflicting paradigms. Ideally, this is done in a neutral fashion, but certainly we all have things we already rely upon from our previous experiences in the world.

Ideally, you wouldn't stop with the movie, but examine the issue further to see if you could clarify your position - this isn't always possible, and many matters come down to: "can't really come to a firm conclusion right now." At a minimum however, you'd want to examine arguments making different claims to see if one is clearly better than the other. This is most especially true when the subject isn't one where we arrive with any real expertise or we suspect an agenda.

Anyone have a link to the movie?

 

[Tolls]

If you don't think the argument over thimerosal and the like hasn't been done to death here (never mind the non-existent autism link) then I suggest doing a search in the forum.

 

[marplots]

If you don't think the argument over thimerosal and the like hasn't been done to death here (never mind the non-existent autism link) then I suggest doing a search in the forum.

Maybe it makes an argument we haven't investigated yet. Could be.

 

[ehcks]

Maybe it makes an argument we haven't investigated yet. Could be.

Even if there is an argument to be made about thiomersal, it hasn't been used in standard child's vaccines in decades and there was not a corresponding decrease in autism rates at the time it was removed.

 

[Kid Eager]

So...no one here has actually watched the movie? I did, and can't find any significant flaws in the claims made or science that backs them. It's all there in PubMed and PLoS, so I'm curious, am I really a skeptic if I condemn the movie because it goes against my preconceived ideas?

Oh really? Just so we're on the same page and you're not just making random throwaway statements, what claims in the movie do you believe are valid?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Mom was trying to kill me or something.

 

[Estellea]

So...no one here has actually watched the movie? I did, and can't find any significant flaws in the claims made or science that backs them. It's all there in PubMed and PLoS, so I'm curious, am I really a skeptic if I condemn the movie because it goes against my preconceived ideas?

Merely using PubMed citations isn't enough to support the "documentary's" premise which is really ridiculous. Grown man gets a jab with less mercury (and a less toxic kind than methylmercury) than a tuna sandwich and self-diagnoses with a "thimerosal-induced" neurological disorder. Look at the citations, most are from the Geiers and Hooker, the worst of the worst of bottom-feeding faux scientists. If your preconceived ideas are based upon the preponderance of quality evidence then yes, sceptical.

Este

 

[applecorped]

The Seattle 40th annual Film Festival is featuring an Anti-Vax film titled "Trace Amounts" and the film is sponsored by Chipotle Mexican Grill.
http://www.siff.net/festival-2014/trace-amounts
Yup, the Autism/vaccine connection. They would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for a concerned citizen traveling the country in his RV pursuing the case.



That's why I avoid salt: It contains toxic Chlorine gas. I also avoid water because Hydrogen, an ingredient of water, is explosive.

http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/44616-dihydrogen-monoxide-hoax




Dihydrogen Monoxide!!!!!!!!