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Anthrax - Mailing conspiracy

Arkan_Wolfshade

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Putting this here, as I can't recall it ever being solved, so it qualifies as a conspiracy.

What ever ended up with the post-9/11 anthrax letters? I seem to recall them narrowing down where it could have been produced, but then it fell of the news radar.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Putting this here, as I can't recall it ever being solved, so it qualifies as a conspiracy.

What ever ended up with the post-9/11 anthrax letters? I seem to recall them narrowing down where it could have been produced, but then it fell of the news radar.
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One CT I read said the letters were mailed to those that were not going to vote for the Patriot Act.

I never took the time to look into it.
 
DavidJames said:
One CT I read said the letters were mailed to those that were not going to vote for the Patriot Act.

I never took the time to look into it.
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That'll teach Dan Rather a lesson about not running for congress and voting for the Patriot Act.
 
As I recall, all the anthrax was traced to a US military base, and then the investigation, and the story, was dropped and not mentioned in the mainstream since.

"They all came from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), Fort Detrick, Maryland."
 
Dazed said:
As I recall, all the anthrax was traced to a US military base, and then the investigation, and the story, was dropped and not mentioned in the mainstream since.

"They all came from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), Fort Detrick, Maryland."
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You wouldn't happen to have a source for this would you?
 
Dazed said:
Its the speculation of the FBI.
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That's a very misleading statement. One of their theories was that the Anthrax was smuggled out of Fort Derrick.

Two FBI agents explored the smuggling theory during a three-hour interview Wednesday with Luann Battersby, a microbiologist who worked at the lab at Fort Detrick for eight years, Battersby said. The smuggling theory was first reported Thursday by The Hartford Courant.

Battersby, who left the Army Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick voluntarily in 1998, said the agents asked her, "if I wanted to grow something I wasn't supposed to, would there be somebody asking me about it and could I have taken it out of the lab? I told them no one checked, and it was far easier to get something out of Fort Detrick than into it."

While speculating how a terrorist might have obtained anthrax as virulent and finely milled as that used in the mailings that killed five people, "We came to the conclusion the source is really important," Battersby said. "It really is difficult to develop an organism from one you haven't cultured."
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(My bolding.)
 
Dazed said:
Its the speculation of the FBI.
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Just because the FBI speculates about something does not make it true and just because they drop that line of inquiry does not mean that it was covered up.

I would imagine that they speculated about any number of mutually exclusive possibilities and then discarded the lines of inquiry for which there was no evidence.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Putting this here, as I can't recall it ever being solved, so it qualifies as a conspiracy.

What ever ended up with the post-9/11 anthrax letters?
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Same question. Is there a timeline of events associated with this CT?
Such as, who was diagnosed with anthrax?
Where was it contracted? And when.
Were the letters mailed on or before the 11th?
Were teh letters identical in composition? Were the stamps identical?
(Isn't that stuff written in the letters the same as on the banners we see people waving on tv?)
Basic evidence like that. Then I'm fairly confident that I can produce a pretty good (CT) suspect. Not that I haven't already.
 
According to the FBI Website, the Anthrax Case is still
under investigation - whatever this means:

http://www.fbi.gov/anthrax/amerithraxlinks.htm

ETA:

http://www.fbi.gov/anthrax/amerithrax_factsheet.htm (September 2006)

What is the status of the investigation?
This is a pending investigation and a top priority for the FBI.
The FBI has devoted hundreds of thousands of agent-hours to the case and conducted thousands of interviews. Eight panels of scientific experts have been convened to develop a comprehensive analytical scheme for evaluating and analyzing the anthrax evidence. As a result, valuable relationships have been forged in the scientific and public health communities, greatly increasing the government's ability to deal with biochemical threats in the future.

Is this a cold case?
This is an active case and the effort to solve it has in no way been slowed.
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I'm willing to bet, and this is pure speculation, that it was a disturbed individual who had access to smuggle anthrax out of the base (but not nec. a person involved with working with anthrax) and probably saw a sick and demented chance to cause harm.

Who knows, maybe he's the next Unabomber who will make a few more "attacks" in the next 20 years.

Or he got hit by a bus a month or two after the attacks and will never be heard from again.
 
The latest major public development in this case was in September last year when Douglas Beecher of the FBI wrote an article in Applied and Environmental Microbiology. The article describes the technics the FBI used to identify a anthrax loaded letter among 642 bags of congressional mail. But just as important the article also discussed the nature of the anthrax spores:
... a widely circulated misconception is that the spores were produced using additives and sophisticated engineering supposedly akin to military weapon production. belief that the spores were weaponized.
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Washington Post ran an article that elaborated on Beecher's article:
But the more the FBI investigated, the more ubiquitous the Ames strain seemed, appearing in labs around the world including nations of the former Soviet Union.
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As the case now stands, the spores could have been grown and purified in any descent laboratory around the world. But most likely by somebody in the area of New Jersey with a disturbed agenda.

Here are some more comments based on Beecher's article:
Anthrax for the Memories THE WASHINGTON POST'S "ROWBACK."
Low-tech anthrax still deadly? FBI research widens suspect list
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/10/some_lessons_learned_from_the.php
 
For those of you who want to really look in to all the details of the case, it could be worthwhile to take a look at Ed Lakes website:
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/

He looks like the 2001 Anthrax Attack's answer to Mark Roberts. Don't be put off by the somewhat messy appearance of his website. He is also debunking all the wild claims about the case, both those put forward by mainstream media and those made by CT'ers.

Since this still is an open case he has his own ideas about the motive and the profile of the attacker based on the available information. In short a disturbed scientist or two wanting to waken USA to the possibility of biological terrorism, but not necessarily wanting to kill anybody. Looks like a reasonable assessment to me. And close to the FBI profile of the attacker:
 
ZENSMACK89 said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A49717-2003Sep9?language=printer

The Pursuit of Steven Hatfill

By Marilyn W. Thompson
Sunday, September 14, 2003; Page W06
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Norseman said:
For those of you who want to really look in to all the details of the case, it could be worthwhile to take a look at Ed Lakes website:
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/
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Not that Zen would bother listening, but interesting that Ed's very first comment is:

1. Dr. Steven Jay Hatfill is innocent of any connection to the anthrax attacks, and his life was ruined by a band of politically-motivated conspiracy theorists who conned the media, the public and government officials into forcing the FBI to publicly investigate him. Links:

http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/campaign.html
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/clueless.html#hatfill
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/Update-History2005.html#051120
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