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Another school shooting in Finland...

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9 people dead.

2 badly injured.

The shooter probably shot himself. But is in hospital and possibly still alive.
 
timhau said:
It's my understanding that "2 badly injured" category includes the shooter himself.
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This is my understanding as well.

The President and the Prime Minister are now discussing the shooting in the media.

The shooter was a student in the same school, male, born 1986.
 
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The shooter uploaded some videos on youtube of himself on a shooting range last friday. The police were notified about the videos and called the guy in for questioning. The questioning took place yesterday, but no measures were taken.

I´d hate to be the cop that talked to the shooter.
 
I have my own halfass theory about these things. Once it (school shootings) starts, it becomes a societal meme and spreads like a virus. It's no longer enough to commit suicide, you have to take out as many the people as possible to go out in some sort of sick "blaze of glory" and infamous throughout the world. It becomes a force all its own.

I'm glad this POS was unsuccessful in his suicide attempt. I hope he lives a long horrible life in prison (hopefully grossly disfigured from his failed suicide attempt) where he will be haunted by this every waking moment, and in his dreams at night.
 
WildCat said:
I have my own halfass theory about these things. Once it (school shootings) starts, it becomes a societal meme and spreads like a virus. It's no longer enough to commit suicide, you have to take out as many the people as possible to go out in some sort of sick "blaze of glory" and infamous throughout the world. It becomes a force all its own.
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I tend to agree. I would think a "blaze of glory" like this would be particularly tempting to lonely, frustrated and bitter young men.

Of course it is only armchair psychology on my part, but there seems to be a pattern. One thing is sure though: there´s something messed up in this country and it is going to take more than some hasty gun restrictions to cure it.
 
When it happened here in a small town in Kentucky, it sure hit home the hard way. Absolutely tragic. It's sad to see it spreading to other countries.
 
WildCat said:
I have my own halfass theory about these things. Once it (school shootings) starts, it becomes a societal meme and spreads like a virus. It's no longer enough to commit suicide, you have to take out as many the people as possible to go out in some sort of sick "blaze of glory" and infamous throughout the world. It becomes a force all its own.
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= "Copycat crimes". Fashions.


Rinky said:
The shooter has died, too.
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Good.
 
WildCat said:
I have my own halfass theory about these things. Once it (school shootings) starts, it becomes a societal meme and spreads like a virus. It's no longer enough to commit suicide, you have to take out as many the people as possible to go out in some sort of sick "blaze of glory" and infamous throughout the world. It becomes a force all its own.

I'm glad this POS was unsuccessful in his suicide attempt. I hope he lives a long horrible life in prison (hopefully grossly disfigured from his failed suicide attempt) where he will be haunted by this every waking moment, and in his dreams at night.
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Yep, Cat.

And of course the measures we take to address this horror, and others such as terrorism, are purely reactive. To try and make ourselves "safer" in the short term. More scanning, more metal detectors, more restrictions, more intrusions, more eavesdropping, more security personnel and lets arm the teachers and pilots while we're at it. All of which isolate and depersonalize. To protect ourselves from - ourselves. The "react to the symptom" mindset with "tough measures" simply increases the very levels of frustration and desperation and hopelessness lying at the root of these types of incidents.

School massacres essentially didn't occur a generation ago, and now they do, far too often. It should not happen anywhere on this planet - ever. Not if we wish to fancy ourselves as civilized. We'd better fix this. Because the consequences are so horrific that they demand we eliminate the possibility of this ever happening again. People live once, and life is precious. I can barely comprehend the monstrous notion that kiddies - CHILDREN for chrissakes - can have their lives ended in a moment at the hands of a man blinded by, and consumed by, his demons.

We don't quite care enough about each other, from a societal viewpoint, and that is one of the root causes. Another is easy access to weaponry. Another is the celebration of infamy. Another is the jackhammer marketing of materialism, whereby the faux-mega-importance of YOU THE INDIVIDUAL is seared into the consciousness of us all. That can play havoc especially within young, immature minds - minds which do not yet comprehend the cliched (yet true) concept that the best things in life are free, that tying importance to material items is hollow, superficial - meaningless. Mass consumerism marketing promotes the concept that you are defined by the stuff you can acquire. Madness - nothing less.

We had damned well better stop this horror. Because it isn't just going to go away. Quite the contrary.
 
This is a well known effect in suicide research (Werther effect, or social contagion) - with the result that there are press guidelines on reporting suicide (which were widely flouted in the recent Bridgend suicide cluster). It's not really possible to curb news reporting on the more sensational events of a school shooting, so this copycat effect is probably unavoidable.

(ETA: I am currently reading "We Need To Talk About Kevin" by Lionel Shriver, about a (fictional) mother whose son commited a school killing. Anyone else read it?)
 
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WildCat said:
I have my own halfass theory about these things. Once it (school shootings) starts, it becomes a societal meme and spreads like a virus. It's no longer enough to commit suicide, you have to take out as many the people as possible to go out in some sort of sick "blaze of glory" and infamous throughout the world. It becomes a force all its own.
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That's been my half-ass theory as well (does that make it a full-ass one?). What I've been thinking is this: if the media witheld the shooter's name, would that have any effect? This guy was a nobody 24 hours ago, but instead of soon being a household name, he'd be just a dead nobody now.
 
WildCat said:
I have my own halfass theory about these things. Once it (school shootings) starts, it becomes a societal meme and spreads like a virus. It's no longer enough to commit suicide, you have to take out as many the people as possible to go out in some sort of sick "blaze of glory" and infamous throughout the world. It becomes a force all its own.

I'm glad this POS was unsuccessful in his suicide attempt. I hope he lives a long horrible life in prison (hopefully grossly disfigured from his failed suicide attempt) where he will be haunted by this every waking moment, and in his dreams at night.
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or publically flayed over a week or so.
 
My semi-layman take: school shooting is a symptom, not the disease. You don't stop them by walling yourself in, you stop them by preventing people from wanting to do it in the first place. School shooters are people with huge issues in their lives, as far as I know. Could be friendless, deep in depression, rejected, low self-esteem, etc. You give people with problems help, school shootings go down. Not that there isn't a copycat effect here, too, and I don't know how good/bad psychiatry is in Finland, but elsewhere a lot of people with problems don't get help.

if the media withheld the shooter's name, would that have any effect?
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Don't think it could've hurt. No clue, though.

I just wish that for once one of these idiots would survive and actually have to face the consequences...
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He died. Punishment enough.
 
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If a bad guy wants a gun he can get a gun. The old Soviet Union saw to that. Guns become outlawed and the criminal element sees a way to make money selling illegal weapons. Its like drugs. It may be against the law to buy, sell or use thme but they are still easy to find.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
My semi-layman take: school shooting is a symptom, not the disease. You don't stop them by walling yourself in, you stop them by preventing people from wanting to do it in the first place. School shooters are people with huge issues in their lives, as far as I know. Could be friendless, deep in depression, rejected, low self-esteem, etc. You give people with problems help, school shootings go down. Not that there isn't a copycat effect here, too, and I don't know how good/bad psychiatry is in Finland, but elsewhere a lot of people with problems don't get help.

Don't think it could've hurt. No clue, though.

He died. Punishment enough.
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No, it isn't. He had a perfect right to be unhappy, kill himself and die. Depending on the actual circumstances, I might have agreed he had a right to kill some specific person(s) if those persons were the purposeful/intentional cause of his unhappiness and they were the ones in the wrong. Otherwise, he has no right to kill, harm or put in danger any persons. Violation of that removes him from any care I may have and puts him in the needs to be exterminated educationally category. I also have no acceptance of killing in diminished capacity/not guilty due to insanity etc.
 
WildCat said:
I have my own halfass theory about these things. Once it (school shootings) starts, it becomes a societal meme and spreads like a virus. It's no longer enough to commit suicide, you have to take out as many the people as possible to go out in some sort of sick "blaze of glory" and infamous throughout the world. It becomes a force all its own.

I'm glad this POS was unsuccessful in his suicide attempt. I hope he lives a long horrible life in prison (hopefully grossly disfigured from his failed suicide attempt) where he will be haunted by this every waking moment, and in his dreams at night.
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If only he listened to or watched the music video for Jeremy.
 
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