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Another kind of argument against "PSI"

Bodhi Dharma Zen

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We have seen believers that found one or two studies that, apparently, show that PSI effects are real. We know that they will take any criticism with anger and will be reluctant to believe anything but that PSI is real.

Well, instead of bringing results, which are always open to discussion (no matter if it is founded or not) I will talk a bit about common sense here.

When a scientist discover, or creates, something new (say the transistor, or gravity) its just matter of time (not centuries, merely months or in the worst scenario just a few years) before we start to see things created around the discovery or creation.

How is that this has never happened with anything related to PSI "discoveries"? Maybe... because they are not "real"?
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
How is that this has never happened with anything related to PSI "discoveries"? Maybe... because they are not "real"?
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Obviously because there are so many sceptics around that they make PSI not work by their anti-belief.


(...although if sceptics' influence is so powerful it's hard to know how PSI has ever been expressed strongly enough for anyone to believe it exists in the first place...)


It's all certainly confusing.
 
Once you’ve mastered the Silva method, you’ll be able to:

* Read people like a book. Know if someone’s telling you the truth. Gain knowledge about others’ intentions just by looking at them. Know anyone’s real motives by simply being in the same vicinity.
* See through walls. Project your mind to any place in the world to detect information. The U.S. government spent $30 million training people to do this and had a 100% success rate in certain cases.
* Influence others from a distance. Leave reminders and create an instant connection using ESP projection techniques.
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People should buy amulets charged with anti-psi skeptical energy to protect against psychics reading their minds or controlling them. Governments could hire a skeptic to block any telepathic attempts at stealing information.:D
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
Wow, so, it is confirmed after all, PSI effects are so real that one can buy several devices to increment our PSI powers.
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Wow, they'll have to ban their use in schools and universities. Otherwise, we crafty students will just read professors' minds for exam answers.

I'll just buy one in the meantime. ;)
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
How is that this has never happened with anything related to PSI "discoveries"? Maybe... because they are not "real"?
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Indeed. I often wonder, if PSI is real, how it is that most countries still have state-run lotteries, still have huge backlogs of unsolved crimes, still have files full of missing persons, and still broadcast "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire..." ;)
 
*does something gross*

I've got this magical green organic material that's guaranteed to double your psychic powers...







... Double nothing is still nothing.
 
I've thought the same thing about homeopathy.

If a solvent retains some sort of memory of a solute, this would surely have more uses than just medicine. Forensics, geochemistry, information technology, diagnostics...I can think of so many things that could be influenced by such a phenomena. Yet we've never seen such an effect in any of these fields, not in the smallest way.

I can think of a million applications. And yet what do we see the homeopathic phenomena used for? Sniffles and hayfever.

Athon
 
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Once you’ve mastered the Silva method, you’ll be able to:

* Read people like a book. Know if someone’s telling you the truth. Gain knowledge about others’ intentions just by looking at them. Know anyone’s real motives by simply being in the same vicinity.
* See through walls. Project your mind to any place in the world to detect information. The U.S. government spent $30 million training people to do this and had a 100% success rate in certain cases.
* Influence others from a distance. Leave reminders and create an instant connection using ESP projection techniques.

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Just wondering. Why don't these people start playing those big high stakes poker tournaments. If you could do any of the three things listed you could easily win the tournament without even looking at your cards in some cases.

1) Read people like a book - Never be bluffed, always know when the other guy has a good hand or is drawing, etc...
2) See through walls, project your mind - If you can see the other guys cards, game over.
3) Influence others from a distance- Get a guy to fold a better hand, call you with a worse hand, etc...

Forget Randi's million, you could be raking in millions every week if you could do any one of these three things.
 
* See through walls. Project your mind to any place in the world to detect information. The U.S. government spent $30 million training people to do this and had a 100% success rate in certain cases
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Oh, that is just precious - "in certain cases"?! Would those cases, by any chance, be the ones where people got things right?

Hey, guess what? I just rolled 3 dice 50 times, and in certain cases I guessed what all three numbers would be! With powers like these, I could be...

perfectly average, natch.
 
SpaceFluffer said:
Oh, that is just precious - "in certain cases"?! Would those cases, by any chance, be the ones where people got things right?
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No, those "certain cases" are known, in the seekret shadowy government world, as "windows", or sometimes just "holes". There is also some evidence that some people can see through some so called "doors", as long as they are of a suitable construction .
 
Re: Re: Another kind of argument against "PSI"

John de Combe said:
Indeed. I often wonder, if PSI is real, how it is that most countries still have state-run lotteries, still have huge backlogs of unsolved crimes, still have files full of missing persons, and still broadcast "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire..." ;)
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And how do casinos still make money? And how come millions die in accidents that can be clairvoyently forecast? And how come no soldiers have ever managed to paranormally remove themselves from a battlefield? How come none of the people trapped in the Twin Towers levitated down to the street?
In fact, why isn't everybody now carrying the genes for PSI?
 
I wonder where are the resident PSI fans? How can they argue against this. I thought it would be interesting.
 
I brought up a similar thought in another thread dealing with the effect of collective skepticism on psi experiments. It seems to me that even if psi is real, if all we can get out of it is jerks bending spoons or telling us our loved ones are happy on the other side, or unleashing the past lives of our pets, we might as well resign ourselves to the idea that it's worthless anyway. Imagine that I really have the power, (when nobody else is looking, of course) to turn the white walls of my living room green for periods of up to seven minutes. That's right, folks. I can turn walls green. An amazing physical feat. I promise you that it's true. It's real. It''s green! Unfortunately that's all I can do. Who gives a flying ****?
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:

When a scientist discover, or creates, something new (say the transistor, or gravity) its just matter of time (not centuries, merely months or in the worst scenario just a few years) before we start to see things created around the discovery or creation.

How is that this has never happened with anything related to PSI "discoveries"? Maybe... because they are not "real"?
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Perhaps your argument can be seen as less valid if we can give an example of a "discovery" that we know to relate to a real phenomena but has not had any practical applications built around it.

The "discovery" of subjective hallucination would be the most obvious one. People have know that certain substances can induce hallucinations for hundreds of years. Can you think of any "things created around" that discovery apart from the induction of the hallucination itself?

I must add, even though the phenomenon of hallucinations can be easily demonstrated (not like psi), that is not the argument put forth by Bodhi Dharma Zen.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
We have seen believers that found one or two studies that, apparently, show that PSI effects are real. We know that they will take any criticism with anger
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As opposed to Skeptics who are calmness itself, and are perfectly willing to discuss any criticism of James Randi without ever getting angry, or screaming hysterical abuse at the critic, or anything like that.
 
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