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Another Kevin Ryan Laugh Riot

leftysergeant

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Kevin Ryan is at it again, shrieking that NIST was supposed to have tested the rubble of the WTC for explosives based on a supposed requirement under "NFPA 921." It was not my impression that this document has any force of law when the cause of a fire or explosion is known.

He then goes on to say that there is ample evidence of the use of explosives in the work of several "experts" such as (who'd a thunk it?) MacQueen, legge, Zamboti, Jones and Ryan.

He now claims that it is likely that the towers were rigged with a "super thermite" with the reactants bound in a "sol-gel" that could have been applied directly to the steel. OY!

Apparently, there is such a substance available, but I have been unable to get too many details on it. I think he is trying to support the idea that Jones' paint chips were super thermite.

Anybody got any clue what the sol gel binder would consist of and how it differs from red primer paint?

ETA:

http://911blogger.com/node/16497
 
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The NFPA 921 is guidelines and reference for fire investigators it is not mandatory

Wholesoul is repeating that junk claim here funnily enough
 
I thought explosives testing would have been the province of the criminal investigations agency, and therefore fall into the lap of the FBI. Does Ryan know something we don't?


Yes, that was sarcasm.
 
Actually, the chain of command and jurisdiction starts with FDNY. If FDNY had found evidence of explosives or thermite, then the FBI would have been required to test for the characteristic residues. Otherwise, they would be obligated to just stay out of the way until a fire fighter or cop found something they needed to see, at least until the fire were extinguished.

The fire fighters were probably all better trained in fire investigations than is anybody in AE911T or STJ911 or J.O.N.E.S. and they found nothing strange in the context of the events of the day.
 
According to R.Mackey:
The WTC site was treated as a crime scene by the FBI,
and the FBI's initial hypothesis was a combined aircraft/truck bombing attack on the towers, so there's every likelihood that the FBI forensic teams at Ground Zero (fifty, in all) initially looked for evidence of explosive damage when the larger pieces of steel were removed.
 
AFAIK because of the aircraft being involved in a criminal act, the investigation would pass to the FBI with the NTSB supporting them. Local authorities would also be likely be called for support, considering the size of the investigation.
 
leftysergeant said:
He knows that water supplies must be designed to support fire extinguishment.
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Then who really cares that he is crying about NFPA 921. He is a water tester, unemployed in his chosen field. Chances are he is unemployable in his chosen field due to his own stupidity of suing UL for wrongful termination. He aslo has proven himself to be an idiot and a liar. Now why does anyone (besides the impotent truthers) care about what he says?
 
laodoggie said:
According to R.Mackey:
The WTC site was treated as a crime scene by the FBI,
and the FBI's initial hypothesis was a combined aircraft/truck bombing attack on the towers, so there's every likelihood that the FBI forensic teams at Ground Zero (fifty, in all) initially looked for evidence of explosive damage when the larger pieces of steel were removed.
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Yes, that is correct. And it wasn't just the FBI. NYPD's Crime Scene Unit (CSU) was also there. Former CT subform poster Gravy also dealt with this in his excellent info site. Link to that specific page is here:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/groundzerocleanup,freshkillssortingopera

Anyway, as I said earlier, Kevin Ryan appears to be imposing duties on NIST that weren't in their mandate. Part of the problem is that he and others in the so-called truth movement are working backwards from the conclusion and assuming there was deliberate destruction of the fires on the part of the government. As has been noted time and time again, the real investigators were not excluding the voluminous amount of video information showing clearly that a jet impacted the WTC, leading to the impact and damage that was ultimately responsible for the collapse.

I'm no fire expert, but to me, criteria for arson investigations only apply when there's suspicion of arson. Since the FDNY did not "suspect" that - given the rather voluminous amount of evidence that something other than arson was involved, namely two large passenger jets :cool: - it's a misapplication of NFPA921 to suggest that NIST was supposed to test for explosives.

And as Leftysergeant noted earlier, it wouldn't have been NIST's jurisdiction anyway. The FDNY would have theoretically noted signs of arson, then requested that the FBI, not NIST, test for explosives.

I won't bother with listing all the evidence against explosives i.e. the lack of characteristic effects, such as sound, fragments, and the actual explosions themselves [/understatement]. That's been rehashed far too many times already.
 
Is Lefty righty?

leftysergeant said:
Actually, the chain of command and jurisdiction starts with FDNY. If FDNY had found evidence of explosives or thermite, then the FBI would have been required to test for the characteristic residues. Otherwise, they would be obligated to just stay out of the way until a fire fighter or cop found something they needed to see, at least until the fire were extinguished.

The fire fighters were probably all better trained in fire investigations than is anybody in AE911T or STJ911 or J.O.N.E.S. and they found nothing strange in the context of the events of the day.
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Little help here...

Collapse initiation was brought about by a tiny minority of columns. Even NIST was unable to find these columns.

Do you really believe FDNY identified the columns from the collapse initiation
zone, and ruled out any accelerants or catalysts?

(Hint: the news was saying "Al Qaeda" 42 seconds after WTC2 was hit.)
 
laodoggie said:
According to R.Mackey:
The WTC site was treated as a crime scene by the FBI,
and the FBI's initial hypothesis was a combined aircraft/truck bombing attack on the towers, so there's every likelihood that the FBI forensic teams at Ground Zero (fifty, in all) initially looked for evidence of explosive damage when the larger pieces of steel were removed.
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Why is there "every likelihood" that the FBI looked for evidence of explosives when the FBI reps with whom I have spoken have told me that of course the investigation looked for evidence of explosives? Given that looking for explosives is what the FBI does routinely, can't we assign a probability of 1 here?
 
Max Photon said:
Little help here...

Collapse initiation was brought about by a tiny minority of columns. Even NIST was unable to find these columns.

Do you really believe FDNY identified the columns from the collapse initiation
zone, and ruled out any accelerants or catalysts?

(Hint: the news was saying "Al Qaeda" 42 seconds after WTC2 was hit.)
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Hint: most of us were saying "al Qaeda" before the second Tower was hit. What is your point (tee-hee, of course I'm joking)?
 
pomeroo said:
Why is there "every likelihood" that the FBI looked for evidence of explosives when the FBI reps with whom I have spoken have told me that of course the investigation looked for evidence of explosives? Given that looking for explosives is what the FBI does routinely, can't we assign a probability of 1 here?
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Ron, I hadn't seen a direct source for this
thats why I quoted R.Mackey"s statement.
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Max Photon said:
Collapse initiation was brought about by a tiny minority of columns.
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What are you referring to? Are we talking about the first columns to fail, or any column that suffered extensive weakening?

A column that suffered extensive weakening could have contributed to the collapse even if it wasn't the first one to fail. In that case, the heat-weakening thermite you propose could have been found on just about any column in the impact zone.
 
Prior to 0903 not even the FAA or NORAD knew that it was a suicide attack, and the general population didn't even know hijackings had occurred.
 
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