Another day in Baghdad

[Mycroft]

.

A U.S. Army soldier comforts a man whose father was killed in a car bombing in Baghdad yesterday. The blast killed at least 11 people and injured 40 others near the fortified Green Zone.


Source

 

[Mr Manifesto]

.

A U.S. Army soldier comforts a man whose father was killed in a car bombing in Baghdad yesterday. The blast killed at least 11 people and injured 40 others near the fortified Green Zone.


Source

Life's tough when you make a half-assed job of occupying a country.

 

[Grammatron]

Re: Re: Another day in Baghdad

Life's tough when you make a half-assed job of occupying a country.

Well you are welcome to leave Australia to its natives any time.

 

[shuize]

Re: Re: Re: Another day in Baghdad

Well you are welcome to leave Australia to its natives any time.

What's left of them.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Re: Re: Re: Another day in Baghdad

Well you are welcome to leave Australia to its natives any time.

Tu quoque fallacy.

I'm going to keep pointing them out to you people until you stop using 'em!

 

[crimresearch]

Mr. Manifesto is correct.

Under the legal doctrine of Terra Nullius, there are no native people in Australia, the land was empty when the Europeans arrived, and they have total claim to all of it (the Mabo decision notwithstanding). So there was no 'occupation' involved in the settling of Australia.


And, the Europeans have NOT done a half assed job of occupying the country, they have done a much better job than that. So pulling out at this late date is simply not an option.

 

[Skeptic]

We really should have AUP, Mr. Manifesto, "The Fool", & co. come over to Iraq and show Americans how an occupation must REALLY be done if you want a future of peace and justice in a ethnically-uniform country.

Of course, there wouldn't be that many Iraqis left when they'll be done, but, hey, they're only natives.

 

[Skeptic]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Another day in Baghdad

Tu quoque fallacy.

I'm going to keep pointing them out to you people until you stop using 'em!

The tu quoque fallacy says that just because someone is hypocritically criticizing someone for something he himself does, it does not mean that the criticism is unjustified in itself. It does NOT mean that the person criticizing isn't a hypocrite; in fact, it implies that he IS one, otherwise this fallacy does not apply.

I'd say that criticizing "racist" countries when you live in a country which butchered 99% of the natives so white people could take their land IS hypocritical, is it not? It doesn't prove the other countries aren't racists, but that's not the point; we're merely proving you ARE a flaming hypocrite, living off the spoils of a racist genocide while criticising others for doing things that aren't nearly as bad.

Even more hypocritically, you keep attributing the lack of peace in other countries to the "racist genocide" the "colonialists" are perpetrating (wether true or not), while in reality knowing very well that the only reason your country doesn't have such trouble is not because you didn't commit a racist genocide, but merely because you were MORE SUCCESFUL in it and really DID kill off all the natives (for all intents and purposes). It is solely because you were not only as bad as those you criticize, but much worse than you even are in a position to criticize in the first place.

I don't think we're going to stop pointing out that you, AUP, "The Fool" & the rest of the Australian "peace and justice" gang (in reality, the "screw the USA and israel" group) are a bunch of hypocrites. It might not be directly relevant to your arguments per se, but it sure pricks your self-righteousness baloon and doesn't allow you to take the moral high ground, which is what you really want to do... and which is why you're so pissed that we keep pointing out your hypocracy.

 

[Cleon]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Another day in Baghdad

I'd say that criticizing "racist" countries when you live in a country which butchered 99% of the natives so white people could take their land IS hypocritical, is it not?

Not unless you're working under some definition of "hypocritical" the rest of us aren't.

Fact - Australia exists as it does because of racial genocide. Duh. So does the US, Canada, to an extent Great Britain, and various other Western countries. This is not a surprise, or a shock, to anyone.

The Australians are no more hypocrites than the white American who criticizes racism--after all, not only was the US formed by racial genocide, it continued to subsist on slavery and a century of Jim Crow afterward. Were those who criticized South African apartheid hypocrites, Skeptic? Please--do tell.

 

[Mycroft]

People, people, people...

How do we get from a picture illustrating the very human drama of a man suffering the death of his father, his being comforted by a soldier some would call his "enemy" or "occupier", to a discussion of Australian history?

 

[Jocko]

Re: Re: Another day in Baghdad

Life's tough when you make a half-assed job of occupying a country.

Who comforted him when Saddam jailed, tortured and murdered his son/brother/wife/father before dumping him with hundreds of others into a mass grave in the desert while the UN "monitored" things?

Tu quoque indeed. When your alarmist propaganda about US soldiers killing innocents doesn't pan out, you invent something else to blame them for with no regard for the bigger picture.

How long did it take your forebearers to pacify Australia, MM? How long before we can expect a blameless paradise like yours?

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque That's me done with this thread, kiddies Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque That's me done with this thread, kiddies Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque Tu Quoque

 

[Hutch]

People, people, people...

How do we get from a picture illustrating the very human drama of a man suffering the death of his father, his being comforted by a soldier some would call his "enemy" or "occupier", to a discussion of Australian history?

Please, no injured dignity here Mycroft. You are quite intelligent enough to know how we got there.

You posted a picture--a very human and emotional picture--and one that probably occurs often enough in Iraq. You posted it with no editorial comment, thereby leaving the door wide open for anyone to make whatever comment they wished. And you are too intelligent NOT to know what the result would be, given the temperment and styles of the usual posters here.

You had to know you were going to get this sort of reaction--like I said, you're a smart guy. But I'm pretty smart myself.

 

[The Fool]

People, people, people...

How do we get from a picture illustrating the very human drama of a man suffering the death of his father, his being comforted by a soldier some would call his "enemy" or "occupier", to a discussion of Australian history?

well, It could be something to do with Zionists bringing up the topic in response to any posting by someone from Australia.. ZN started using it as his change of topic subject when I challenged him about some of his fabricated claims he was making about what i was supposed to have stated (bad habits learned from "skeptic).... and it has sort of caught on....Its now the spam of choice of the Israel apologists.

I wonder where "skeptic" get his 99% butchered fairytale from? He loves the word Butchered doesn't he....funny little man.

I'm not sure if anyone is interested enough in a thread on the topic of the history of Indigenous Australians, I have been involved with Aboriginal communities for some time and have a reasonable working knowledge of the history of the impact of European colonialism in Australia. Anyway....don't wish to further derail the thread.

 

[Mycroft]

Please, no injured dignity here Mycroft. You are quite intelligent enough to know how we got there.

You posted a picture--a very human and emotional picture--and one that probably occurs often enough in Iraq. You posted it with no editorial comment, thereby leaving the door wide open for anyone to make whatever comment they wished. And you are too intelligent NOT to know what the result would be, given the temperment and styles of the usual posters here.

You had to know you were going to get this sort of reaction--like I said, you're a smart guy. But I'm pretty smart myself.

I know.

I had an editorial comment. Something about how it was impossible (for me) to look at the picture and see an "Iraqi" and a "soldier", that this tragedy had stripped them for the moment of these lables, making them nothing more (and nothing less) than humans being very human. I ended up deleting the comment, feeling that the picture spoke better for itself without my words.

In hindsight, I should have known better. We spend too much of our time going over these events, debating the politics, creating our own spin and interpretations for us to easily set our filters aside and just observe.

 

[Skeptic]

Well, It could be something to do with Zionists...

For you, EVERYTHING "has something to do with zionists".

Oh, and you can let your hair down. It's OK to say "something to do with the jews". We won't tell.