ANd this guy wants to be the Prez?

[Demigorgon]

"From a religious point of view, if God had thought homosexuality is a sin, he would not have created gay people."

- Howard Dean


Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

[aerocontrols]

link for context.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Someone collected a whole book on stupid thing GWB said, and he IS our prez.

If one were to avoid voting for someone because they say stupid things, there would be no one left to vote for.

 

[Nasarius]

Well, we're not going to get anyone who's agnostic/atheist/deist anytime soon, so I guess it's better to take a believer with the right idea rather than a fundie with the wrong idea. *shrug*
Unless of course you're against homosexual marriage, in which case there's no point in arguing.

 

[Ladyhawk]

Someone collected a whole book on stupid thing GWB said, and he IS our prez.

If one were to avoid voting for someone because they say stupid things, there would be no one left to vote for.

How true, but you have to admit..on the surface, it's pretty funny! It's funnier in light of Dean's inability to determine if Job is in the Old T or the NewT. There's just a certain irony to this particular statement.

Thanks for sharing it , Demi..

 

[mjh36]

The thing to fear with Dean is not his stupidity, but his shrewd and fabulously correct policy of taking advantage of the fact that many Americans are ignorant of the world around them and will fall easily for the best line they hear that week.

Be afraid that Dean's entire platform is "I hate Dubyah" and consists of very little else. He promised to repeal the Bush tax cuts but also promised not to raise taxes. OK, that sounds pretty dumb, but isn't scary until you hear throngs of idiots cheering him for his stupidity.

And for the record, every time Bush says the word "nuke-ya-ler" when referring to nuclear weapons, it makes me want to bean him in the head with a brick. And I also used to feel like I needed a shower every time Bill Clinton told me that "he feels my pain."

 

[Thanz]

I happen to agree with with what Dean said in the quote in the opening post. What am I missing?

And why should I be afraid, let alone very afraid?

 

[Tmy]

Ummm is that quote supposed to be outragous or sumthin? Why be afraid???

people just want to pick on every little thing Dean says/does.

Hes the new Hillary, hate him just because!!!! I think people from the Dems hate him cause hes bucking the system and Repubs hate him cause hes a legit threat.

Politics is so much like High School. The cliques are out to destroy him. "Pssst, did you hear? Howard Dean is a big slut."

 

[Ignatius]

The cliques are out to destroy him. "Pssst, did you hear? Howard Dean is a big slut."

Dean is a slut?! Ohh muy gawd!
[runs off to tell Suzy and Beth]

 

[Vorticity]

I happen to agree with with what Dean said in the quote in the opening post. What am I missing?

Ditto. What's wrong with it?

 

[Upchurch]

I happen to agree with with what Dean said in the quote in the opening post. What am I missing?

Gotta agree. I find gays to be about as unnatural as lefties* or redheads.





*that is, left-handed people. Which, incidently, I am.

 

[Tmy]

Yeah like for sure. I cant believe hes running for class president. No way will people vote for him when they find out he DRIVES A 95' HYUNDIA! And he buys his clothes at Target. EEEEEEwwwww

 

[Jon_in_london]

Umm... no. How is that threatening? He is merely ridiculing the position of the fundie loonies.

The only thing that worries me with regards to the US presidency is the bible-thumping talking puppet monkey called George.

 

[Aoidoi]

While the statement is a bit silly (the logic boils down to "nothing that exists is a sin," which makes me wonder what "sin" is) it doesn't really bother me. The civil unions thing seems fine to me from the little I know about it. It wasn't a particularly bad line as far as religio-political statements go. I really wish Bush would shut up about religion.

Frankly, I feel rather better about him hearing he is the least religious of the politicians.

 

[roger]

The thing to fear with Dean is not his stupidity, but his shrewd and fabulously correct policy of taking advantage of the fact that many Americans are ignorant of the world around them and will fall easily for the best line they hear that week.

What are you talking about? Did you read the linked article? I suspect not.

"Dean said he does not often turn to his faith when making policy decisions"

"Earlier Tuesday when he and the other candidates were asked at a debate if religion has influenced any of their policy decisions, Dean was the only one not to respond."

"Dean has been expanding on his religious views in a series of conversations with reporters, but his remarks Tuesday and Wednesday were the first time he has talked about how faith has influenced his policy making"

"Dean,... is increasingly trying to broaden his appeal by talking about faith and centrist policies "

"Some Democrats have said Dean...might appear too secular to win over an increasingly religious electorate."

From what I can make of that article, you have a fairly secular or at least closed-mouth-about-religious man sharing his views about a topic a heck of a lot of the population cares deeply about.

I don't share his thinking (he is against gay marriage, and I don't base any decisions on christianity), but I see nothing but principled behavior being reported in this article.

"At several campaign stops this week, Dean said if Republicans push gay issues, he will talk 'issues that unite us'" such as health insurance for every American."

from here.

edited to shorten some quotes to remain within fair use.

 

[Jon_in_london]

It's funnier in light of Dean's inability to determine if Job is in the Old T or the NewT.

OMFG!!! YOU MEAN THERE MIGHT BE A PRES WHO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFF BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT!!!!! OMFG WTF!!!!! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TOO!?!? ITS THE END OF CIVILISATION AS WE KNOW IT!!!!! OH! THE HUMANITY!!! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!! WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

 

[Tmy]

Am I the only one who laughs when I see politians going to church or talking religion. Its such an insencere photo op to impress the church folks. Thats why no one comes forward with their specifc religions. No one says Im a "morman" or "baptist" , They all just use "GOD" and are as generic as possible so as not to alienate any voters. They wont even use "Jesus" in their speehes. Tell me, if you are truley a devote christian, how can you never mention Jesus????

 

[Thanz]

While the statement is a bit silly (the logic boils down to "nothing that exists is a sin," which makes me wonder what "sin" is) it doesn't really bother me.

Not quite. All it is saying is that the mere existence of it should not be a sin. Here is a quote that explains it better than I can, from a member of the Anglican group Integrity that works for gay rights in the Church:

My name is Chris Ambidge, I'm a cradle Anglican, and I've been a gay man for just about as long - certainly from before my ability to make conscious choices. I no more selected my orientation than I selected blue eyes, or right-handedness.

God created in me - just as in you - an ability to love and a need to be loved. I know in the depths of my soul that for me, intimate love will be for another man. I cannot believe in a god so cruel and spiteful to create those abilities and needs in me, and then say "no-no, you can't use them!"

source

 

[Hexxenhammer]

[8/6/00 - NY Times] Four months ago in Texas, Gov. George W. Bush signed a proclamation declaring June 10 to be Jesus Day, and urging all Texans to "follow Christ's example by performing good works in their communities and neighborhoods."

More:

Mr. Bush, who has put his Christian faith front and center in the campaign, has tried to project an image of inclusiveness to people of all ethnicities and religions. In the past, he has been put on the defensive for saying that the only way to heaven was through Christ, and for naming Jesus as his favorite political philosopher.

And this guy IS our president? I've been afraid for 3 years...

 

[Otther]

I absolutely loathe howard dean, but I'm also on the boat that doesn't understand why this is so bad...

Sure, a few of us (both believers and unbelievers) will notice the absurd reasoning. But overall it will probably appeal to the underdeveloped capacity for logic that most Americans possess.