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American teachers afraid to teach evolution

jay gw

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Christian fundamentalists prevent teaching of evolution in US schools

Christian fundamentalists prevent teaching of evolution in US schools

NEW YORK John Frandsen, a retired zoologist, was at a dinner for teachers in Birmingham, Alabama, recently when he met a young woman who had just begun work as a biology teacher in a small school district in the state. Their conversation turned to evolution.

"She confided that she simply ignored evolution because she knew she'd get in trouble with the principal if word got about that she was teaching it," he recalled. "She told me other teachers were doing the same thing."

Though the teaching of evolution makes the news when officials propose, as they did in Georgia, that evolution disclaimers be affixed to science textbooks, or that creationism be taught along with evolution in biology classes, stories like the one Frandsen tells are more common.

In districts around the United States, even when evolution is in the curriculum it may not be in the classroom, according to researchers who follow the issue.

Teaching guides and textbooks may meet the approval of biologists, but superintendents or principals discourage teachers from discussing it.

Or teachers themselves avoid the topic, fearing protests from religious fundamentalists in their communities.

"The most common remark I've heard from teachers was that the chapter on evolution was assigned as reading but that virtually no discussion in class was taken," said John Christy, a climatologist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, an evangelical Christian and a member of Alabama's curriculum review board who advocates the teaching of evolution.

Teachers are afraid to raise the issue, he said, and they are afraid to discuss the issue in public.

Frandsen, a former chairman of the committee on science and public policy of the Alabama Academy of Science, said in an interview that this fear made it impossible to say precisely how many teachers avoid the topic.

"You're not going to hear about it," he said. "And for political reasons nobody will do a survey among randomly selected public school children and parents to ask just what is being taught in science classes."

But he said he believed the practice of avoiding the topic was widespread, particularly in school districts where many people adhere to fundamentalist faiths.

"You can imagine how difficult it would be to teach evolution as the standards prescribe in ever so many little towns, not only in Alabama but in the rest of the South, the Midwest - all over," Frandsen said.

Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education, said she heard "all the time" from teachers who did not teach evolution "because it's just too much trouble.

"Or their principals tell them, 'We just don't have time to teach everything so let's leave out the things that will cause us problems,"' she said.

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These findings set the United States apart from all other industrialized nations, said Dr. Jon Miller, director of the Center for Biomedical Communications at Northwestern University, who has studied public attitudes toward science.

Americans, he said, have been evenly divided for years on the question of evolution, with about 45 percent accepting it, 45 percent rejecting it and the rest undecided.

In other industrialized countries, Miller said, 80 percent or more typically accept evolution, most of the others say they are not sure and very few people reject the idea outright.

"In Japan, something like 96 percent accept evolution," he said. Even in socially conservative, predominantly Catholic countries like Poland, perhaps 75 percent of people surveyed accept evolution, he said. "It has not been a Catholic issue or an Asian issue," he said.

Indeed, two popes, Pius XII in 1950 and John Paul II in 1996, have endorsed the idea that evolution and religion can coexist. "I have yet to meet a Catholic school teacher who skips evolution," Scott said.

"Data from various studies in various states over an extended period of time indicate that about one-third of American biology teachers support the teaching of creationism or 'intelligent design,"' Skoog said.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/02/healthscience/snevo.html

I didn't know that so many teachers were fundamentalist Christians. But I had a geology teacher in this little town in Texas that talked about the biblical creation of the earth, so I know what goes on in a lots of "out of the way" places in America. Maybe in big cities too?
 
How can you teach biology and not teach evolution at the same time???

You can't understand biology, unless you understand evolution.
 
But... CFLarsen... think about it: why would a fundie want anyone to know biology? I don't know if you've ever looked at a lengthy creationist tract, but they're full of wild lies on almost every science --- astrology, quantum theory, general relativity, thermodynamics (the breadth and scope of their ignorance is wonderful) and, of course, biology again and again. This is because all their arguments have to be based on Made Up Facts. What else have they got? Anyone who learned any actual biology would see their nonsense for the gibble it is. This must be prevented at all costs.
 
Dr Adequate said:
But... CFLarsen... think about it: why would a fundie want anyone to know biology? I don't know if you've ever looked at a lengthy creationist tract, but they're full of wild lies on almost every science --- astrology, quantum theory, general relativity, thermodynamics (the breadth and scope of their ignorance is wonderful) and, of course, biology again and again. This is because all their arguments have to be based on Made Up Facts. What else have they got? Anyone who learned any actual biology would see their nonsense for the gibble it is. This must be prevented at all costs.

And what is at the core of biology?

SEX!!!

I see your point.

I do, however, find it highly ironic that to have sex is to know someone in a biblical sense....

Ever read the Song of Songs? Hugh Hefner, take a hike.
 
Dr Adequate said:
But... CFLarsen... think about it: why would a fundie want anyone to know biology? I don't know if you've ever looked at a lengthy creationist tract, but they're full of wild lies on almost every science --- astrology, quantum theory, general relativity, thermodynamics (the breadth and scope of their ignorance is wonderful) and, of course, biology again and again. This is because all their arguments have to be based on Made Up Facts. What else have they got? Anyone who learned any actual biology would see their nonsense for the gibble it is. This must be prevented at all costs.
I'm hoping that you meant to type astronomy there and just had a momentary lapse. ;)
 
CFLarsen said:
How can you teach biology and not teach evolution at the same time???

You can't understand biology, unless you understand evolution.

It depends on what you mean by "teaching biology". I agree with your assessment, but when I was taught the theory of evolution it was during my general sciences class. This was in ninth grade, as I recall - long before I ever took biology, which was in eleventh grade. Biology was mostly about functions of organs, dissection of various animals, etc.

I have a daughter in high school and a son in first year college. I'll ask them if Darwin's stuff was taught in biology or some other class.
 
It was a few years ago, but 60 Minutes did a segment on schools throughout the "heartland" where this was exactly the case; there was little or no mention of evolution, and the districts bought textbooks that soft-pedaled the subject (or avoided it entirely)
In some cases, straightforward creationism was being taught. These were predominantly-Christian districts, and the theory seemed to be that if no one complained....
 
CFLarsen said:
And what is at the core of biology?

SEX!!!

I see your point.

I do, however, find it highly ironic that to have sex is to know someone in a biblical sense....

Ever read the Song of Songs? Hugh Hefner, take a hike.

Well, that would probably surprise archeobacteria, Claus, but it does seem that even complex paramecia do something of the sort via conjugation. :D
 
What kinds of effects are there on the state of math and science in the United States?

Every time there's an international test, Americans are ranked towards the bottom of the list.

These schools polices are affecting the American economy. It seems some people aren't aware of it.
 
CFLarsen said:
I do, however, find it highly ironic that to have sex is to know someone in a biblical sense....
You do realize the Bible wasn't written in English, don't you?

jay gw
What kinds of effects are there on the state of math and science in the United States?

Every time there's an international test, Americans are ranked towards the bottom of the list.
How can not teaching evolution affect math scores? Seems like you're simply engaging in post hoc reasoning. And I'm not convinced that Americans consistently rank at the bottom.
 
It's hard to say what all states are doing but it seems, more and more, states are adopting "state standards". About six or seven years ago, California adopted the following standards for Biology; http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/scbiology.asp. Basically, the state has mandated that these topics be taught and our students are tested annually. I don't have a choice. It is written in stone. Evolution for everyone, here!

Actually, it makes for a nice "out" if a parent complains about curriculum of any kind.
 
Art Vandelay said:
And I think it would therefore be more accurate to refer to sex as "knowing in the King James sense" than "knowing in the Bibical sense".

I'm sure. As of now, I'll stick to colloquial English.

That is, if I have your permission.
 
cbish said:
It's hard to say what all states are doing but it seems, more and more, states are adopting "state standards". About six or seven years ago, California adopted the following standards for Biology; http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/scbiology.asp. Basically, the state has mandated that these topics be taught and our students are tested annually. I don't have a choice. It is written in stone. Evolution for everyone, here!

Actually, it makes for a nice "out" if a parent complains about curriculum of any kind.

Kind of sad, no, that teachers feel the need for such outs?
 
Art Vandelay said:
And I think it would therefore be more accurate to refer to sex as "knowing in the King James sense" than "knowing in the Bibical sense".

You would think so, but you would be wrong.

The word in the original Hebrew passages is the verb "yada" [to know]. In the Greek, the word "ginosko" [to know] is used. In modern French, the verb "savoir" [to know] is still used with this meaning -- normally, when one "knows" a person, the verb "connaitre" [to be acquanted with] is used instead.

The translators of the KJV simply used the English equivalent of the actual Hebrew and Greek phrasing.
 
Art Vandelay said:
How can not teaching evolution affect math scores? Seems like you're simply engaging in post hoc reasoning. And I'm not convinced that Americans consistently rank at the bottom.
Was wondering about that myself.

I don't have a hard time believing we're at/near the bottom, although that also has nothing to do with teaching or not teaching evolution.
 

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