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Am I Popularizing Sylvia Browne?

RSLancastr

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I recently received an email (or perhaps it was a PM) which said, in efffect, that, by publicly criticizing Browne, skeptics such as Randi and I are helping Browne, by giving her fans someone to demonize, and to rally against.
Any thoughts on this?
 
I recently received an email (or perhaps it was a PM) which said, in efffect, that, by publicly criticizing Browne, skeptics such as Randi and I are helping Browne, by giving her fans someone to demonize, and to rally against.
Any thoughts on this?

Wishful thinking on the part of the sender, and appeal to consequence. As I understand it, she lost her weekly free TV appearance, has severely curtailed her Las Vegas activities and went from publishing several books year to publishing none in 2009.

I think the net effect of your activities has been clearly negative for her.

Who cares if the hard-core fans rally around her- the bulk of her less fanatic supporters, the fence-sitters, the curious, and most importantly, the new victims, are fleeing.
 
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Personally, I had never heard of Sylvia Browne before I read your website.
And other than reading your web site, I have never heard of Sylvia Browne otherwise.
(Unless I specifically search for information on her or her appearances).

So even is some people do 'discover' her from your efforts, I think there are many more who are rallied against her. Whatever you feel is the truth based on the overall tone of all your emails, I'd go with that, rather than one email.
 
I recently received an email (or perhaps it was a PM) which said, in efffect, that, by publicly criticizing Browne, skeptics such as Randi and I are helping Browne, by giving her fans someone to demonize, and to rally against.
Any thoughts on this?
Well I'd not heard of her and was only vaguely aware of Montel Williams before you started.

Now I use them as particular examples of charlatans preying on the weak or taking advantage of the grieving when a discussion moves around to "what's the harm". Also, we've heard from a number of people who have changed their mind about them after reading here or your site.
 
Robert: The argument that seems to be made here is that if we just don't talk about syphilis no one will get it. But it is only through exposing syphilis that you might be able to prevent its transmission to a reasonably weary individual.

The fact that you provide accurate, verifiable and factual information about Ms. Browne -- on your own dime and at considerable personal cost -- is a unselfish public service. You are, if I may, the Penicillin to Browne's STD. Keep it up (sorry about that)!
 
Totally disagree.

If you and your web site, and James Randi and his challenge (and all record of it ever having been accepted by Browne) were to disappear off the planet tomorrow, Sylvia Browne would obviously benefit tremendously.

Your existence is not good for her in any way. Much better if she didn't have to bother to try to demonize anyone to defend the problems and issues you bring to public attention.

Especially considering the fact that every time she mentions either of you in order to demonize you, she will inadvertently incite curiosity in a certain percentage of her listeners, who will then look for your web site or want to know more about the challenge.

Also much better for her if the public did NOT have access to the kind of information your web site provides. So any publicity is not always good publicity, at least not in this case.
 
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Oh, I'd heard of her, all right, I'd an Aunt who was a fan, and a couple of friends who caught a few of her "performance pieces" on Montel, and were heavily impressed. I thank you so much for taking the time to glom all her failures together in one place, I often wished there was some way of stopping the woman and your website is certainly a step in the right direction. And it has made my Aunt and one friend (at least) take a step back and really LOOK at what Brown is doing and saying. I know that everyone on here is a member of the RSL choir (so to speak) already, and so few of us would agree with the thought that you are actually helping Brown with your site, but I know that it has made a difference to a couple of fence sitters who were on their way to being groupies for her. And I offer you a heartfelt thank you for that (which I'm doubting Sylvia would give you).
 
"There's no such thing as bad publicity" has to be one of the dumbest things that people say while actually thinking they're making an intelligent comment. (Ask Tiger Woods if he thinks all publicity is good.)

If you ran a super-popular web site that received all sorts of general-purpose traffic, and you started talking about some obscure psychic who most people had never heard of, then there might be an argument. But I find it hard to believe that many people are stumbling across the Stop Sylvia Browne site who have never heard of her before.

Uri Geller likes to pull this routine, too, claiming that Randi has helped make him millions of dollars over the years. Strange how Uri didn't seem to think so when he was filing all those lawsuits....
 
Robert: The argument that seems to be made here is that if we just don't talk about syphilis no one will get it. But it is only through exposing syphilis that you might be able to prevent its transmission to a reasonably weary individual.

The fact that you provide accurate, verifiable and factual information about Ms. Browne -- on your own dime and at considerable personal cost -- is a unselfish public service. You are, if I may, the Penicillin to Browne's STD. Keep it up (sorry about that)!
Seriously? You had to use an anology that could prompt someone to picture Browne naked?


Damn you, headscratcher, damn you!
 
RSLancastr, I am that there are many parents who thanks to you have learned about Shawn and Opal and will prevent Sylvia from interfering with an investigation that may save their child's life.

That alone should tell you that you have done a wonderful work and should carry it out with no worries.

Uri Geller likes to pull this routine, too, claiming that Randi has helped make him millions of dollars over the years. Strange how Uri didn't seem to think so when he was filing all those lawsuits....

The Uri Geller analogy is a fantastic ones. Uri Geller was once worldly renowned and today the guy is a walking joke. Yep, when his show about finding a successor aired people tuned in to watch it *JUST* to laugh at the moron on tv and to spot the fake magnets.
 
I have been a lurker on all the RSL posts for a long time. Never believed in psychics myself, but have a few friends and family members who did. I have pointed them all to your website and it has done a lot to make them think. Thank you for all you do.
 
Seriously? You had to use an anology that could prompt someone to picture Browne naked?


Damn you, headscratcher, damn you!

You know, I didn't go there with SB until you mentioned it...now, it is burned into my brain leaving me praying for the sweet relief of death.
 
I recently received an email (or perhaps it was a PM) which said, in efffect, that, by publicly criticizing Browne, skeptics such as Randi and I are helping Browne, by giving her fans someone to demonize, and to rally against.
Any thoughts on this?

It depends on how you look at it and define fans. Your site, being a pull medium, is not going to bring Sylvia to the attention of someone who doesn't already have an interest in Sylvia. In that sense you're not "helping" her gain new "fans" with your site.

But what about existing fans? A "fan" can be loosely taken to mean anybody who finds Sylvia's practices useful in some way. It could range from, "Oh, Sylvia's on Montel today. I think I'll watch" all the way to, "Sylvia has changed my life for the better and helped countless people. She has a gift from God. I think she's wonderful." Of course, there are many levels in between.

I would say that without a doubt there will be people who confuse criticism of actions with personal attacks (we see that here all the time). They will say that it's "unkind" to point out things you believe she is doing wrong or that you "have it in for her" for doing so. That can certainly result in a knee-jerk reaction to defend Sylvia. The question is whether that results in promoting Sylvia to a new audience. I doubt that will happen.

The bigger concern is reaching people who think that there are some "real" psychics mixed in with the frauds or frauds mixed in with the "real" ones. In my experience that range of belief is pretty common. If your site comes off to them as attacking Sylvia personally, these people will have the same reaction skeptics do when presented with an ad hominem - they will dismiss your arguments. They may even reflexively regard Sylvia with more respect.

This is an inherent problem of human nature. One person's ad hom is another person's sound argument. People react differently to the same information. They may not see the relevance, for example, of the article about Larry Beck since there's really no definitive information except that he's not going to give any definitive information. They may be taken aback by you calling him her "most recent husband" because it could sound like a dig. From a purely analytical standpoint, I get why you posted it, but I can see how others might not.

So, if an "unsure about Sylvia" person came to the site and saw that, their reaction might be that you have it in for Sylvia. If they are predisposed to believing that skeptics are "cynics" who don't want to believe in the supernatural, this kind of "personal attack" would make sense. Since you can't "prove" she's a fraud you attack her personally. Seems logical if you have a different world view. For that hypothetical person your site made things worse, not better.

And that's the dilemma of running a site like yours. You will get all sorts of people coming through. It's never going to be 100% effective or a 100% failure. You're going to reach some and push away others. Some will leave with doubt while others will leave believing even more strongly that Sylvia is the Real Deal not matter how illogical that might sound.

Overall, though, I think the site has a positive effect. The fact that some people will probably react the opposite way you intend doesn't negate all those that react as you hope. And the fact that it's a resource for other skeptics engaging in one-on-one discussions confers advantages that would not otherwise be possible.
 
Popularizing? No, I seriously doubt it.

Drawing attention to her? Maybe ... if there's any weight to the idea that...

"There is no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary." -- Brendan Behan (1923 - 1964), Irish author & dramatist.

You're doing good work. Please keep it going.
 
I recently received an email (or perhaps it was a PM) which said, in efffect, that, by publicly criticizing Browne, skeptics such as Randi and I are helping Browne, by giving her fans someone to demonize, and to rally against.

I have to admit to being only vaguely aware of Browne, and that awareness stems directly from your website and what I've read here. That said, saying that she benefits from skeptics is like saying burglars benefit from the presence of police.
 
Plus you've got proof that your site has certainly contributed to some former believers coming to think rationally about Sylvia and her claimed powers.
 
I recently received an email (or perhaps it was a PM) which said, in efffect, that, by publicly criticizing Browne, skeptics such as Randi and I are helping Browne, by giving her fans someone to demonize, and to rally against.
Any thoughts on this?

No!
You are erecting warning signs around an obvious accident site.
And quite successfully I might add.
Keep up the good work
 
BTW -- in the annals of irresponsible popularizing of Browne...there is only one real criminal: Montel Williams.
 
The type of logic that someone gets popularized by someone being against them is just silly.

If we were to ignore her than all her crap would go uncontested, and yes eventually her star would fade, but with people openly calling her on her claims, people at least have a place to go to see how full of it she is.

Whoever sent you the pm or e-mail is either completely mistaken ( if they are a skeptic) or simply trying to crap on your parade, your work exposing The Klaws, has both been informative and an inspiration to at the very least myself to take direct action against these people. Keep up the good work rob, and thanks for fighting the good fight.
 
I'd guess no. You'd only be someone to rally against for people who haven't read the site (for the most part), and if someone has read your site, chances are they already know about Sylvia Browne (for the most part).

There may be some people who, having stumbled upon your site at random, think that Sylvia is a genuine psychic, but there's not a great deal you can do about the wilfully ignorant.
 

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