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Alien abduction or time travelers?

Ratman_tf

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Yeah, it sounds whacky, but bear with me here.

Let's assume that some of the abduction claims are true.
Personally, I find the theory that these creatures are descendants of humans from the future to be much more plausible than extraterrestrials.

That would explain why they look very similar to humans (as opposed to comparing a human to a hermit crab, for example) and would be interested in our DNA, bodies, and breeding.

Heh, or maybe I watch too much Sci-Fi?
 
Ratman_tf said:
Let's assume that some of the abduction claims are true.
Personally, I find the theory that these creatures are descendants of humans from the future to be much more plausible than extraterrestrials.
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I choose the more Star Trek approach and assume all these aliens came from another star system. Not because I believe they came from a star system, but because I believe it'd make a better movie.

That would explain why they look very similar to humans (as opposed to comparing a human to a hermit crab, for example) and would be interested in our DNA, bodies, and breeding.
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Well, bilateral symmetry is the most logical form of symmetry in nature.

Cephalization (meaning all neural functions are controlled in a centralized "head" region) also seems like the most logical course of evolution for more "advanced" animals.

As far as arms and legs go, I'm not sure. It would be benificial for a species to be bipedal if it wanted to evolve more intelligence. Two arms would be necessary for "doin' stuff". You wouldnt want too many limbs, that might cause some kind of sensory overload, then the brain is more attended to working the other limbs rather than working through problems and learning.

I'd imagine that aliens dont look too much like bugs or have exoskeletons. Gravity would be too much for them.

Why not tails? Sure, they can have tails if they want...

I'm basing my observation on the nature I know of on Earth (and the Venusians), I'd assume most of the other animals on other worlds look pretty similar to Earth's animals.

Heh, or maybe I watch too much Sci-Fi?
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Any real conspiracy theorist would look around the room and say something like "Yes, you are watching too much Sci-fi, and asking too many questions, what do you know?"...
 
Ratman_tf---It has to be aliens. The theory of going back in time is whacked, I think. Has this been debated over at the Scholar part of the JREF board? Probably, eh? Going back or forward in time relies on relativity with the speed of light. That is what science SAYS, anyway. I simply believe that what happened, happened, and that is the end of it. To VIEW (a distant place) as to what happened in the past, is one thing. We do that, now. But to actually travel there to see the past, first hand?...I think someone err's in reasoning.

I think they simply think that since we can see the past in distant stars and planets...that if we can zap ourselves there, we would then actually BE in the past. The flaw in this thinking is that the past, is not really the past, AT that star or planet. The light that we are getting at the present, from that star or planet, is SHOWING us the past. This part I agree with But out AT that star or planet, it too is at present status with us here on earth.

I can't see what the speed of light has to do with anything. I have heard that if you go off in a space ship and exceed the speed of light in your travels...that when you returned, time would have greatly changed when you returned. What if you kept your eyes closed the whole time, and landed back on earth at night. :)
 
Iamme said:
Ratman_tf---It has to be aliens. The theory of going back in time is whacked, I think. Has this been debated over at the Scholar part of the JREF board? Probably, eh? Going back or forward in time relies on relativity with the speed of light. That is what science SAYS, anyway. I simply believe that what happened, happened, and that is the end of it. To VIEW (a distant place) as to what happened in the past, is one thing. We do that, now. But to actually travel there to see the past, first hand?...I think someone err's in reasoning.

I think they simply think that since we can see the past in distant stars and planets...that if we can zap ourselves there, we would then actually BE in the past. The flaw in this thinking is that the past, is not really the past, AT that star or planet. The light that we are getting at the present, from that star or planet, is SHOWING us the past. This part I agree with But out AT that star or planet, it too is at present status with us here on earth.

I can't see what the speed of light has to do with anything. I have heard that if you go off in a space ship and exceed the speed of light in your travels...that when you returned, time would have greatly changed when you returned. What if you kept your eyes closed the whole time, and landed back on earth at night. :)
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Woah woah woah here! You're talking about general relativity. If you had a spacecraft able to approach the speed of light (You could never attain or break the speed of light with any technology we know of now.) as you got closer and closer, time dilation would take effect. Time would seem to pass normaly for you. Awake, asleep, taking a shower, playing video games, drinking a cup of coffee, everything in said spaceship seemd absolutley normal. (Except maybe the view out the viewscreen.) But time passes much slowly for you. You just aren't aware of it. When you got back to earth, you would be in the future from your perspective. From the perspective of the people you left behind, you would have left a long time ago, maybe hundreds or thousands of years ago, but for you, it only seemed like months or years.

And yea, I understand very well that the light reaching earth now is an image of what happened in the past. Some of the stars I'm looking at in the night sky may very well not be there (supernova, burn out, sucked into a black hole) but I can still see the image that left them many thousands or millions of years ago.

And if we're going to assume that Aliens can break or somehow get around general relativity, why not take the leap that humans in the future could figure out how to travel through time? There's just as much speculation on traveling faster than light as traveling through time, and general relativity says that the two are linked anyway. (Space and time being the same thing.)
 
I recommend reading "Saucer Wisdom" by Rudy Rucker for the real low-down on alien abduction. It's people from the future.
 
Ratman_tf said:
Yeah, it sounds whacky, but bear with me here.

Let's assume that some of the abduction claims are true.
Personally, I find the theory that these creatures are descendants of humans from the future to be much more plausible than extraterrestrials.

That would explain why they look very similar to humans (as opposed to comparing a human to a hermit crab, for example) and would be interested in our DNA, bodies, and breeding.

Heh, or maybe I watch too much Sci-Fi?
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If you regress time, you must also regress space.
If, for instructional purposes, we conceive in our minds as traveling back in time say a year, then at that point in which we as timetravellers appear, all of physical reality must be precisely as it was, even the positions of the stars, solar systems, galaxies etc...at least in theory, because time and movement are correlated, and to travel back in time is to travel back to a correlate of space, and here space refers to all that is, or the universe.
This presents an interesting paradox since the actual (as opposed to potential in our thought experiment) appearance of a time traveller would present a correlate of space which by definition is different than the correlate in which it must logically be...
 
I suppose if I suggest that it's all a crock, you'll just say I'm part of the conspiracy. So here's my theory: They're humans from the PAST! Yes, mankind was once far more advanced than today, and developed time travel. They come here to see what a horrible mess mankind has de-evolved into.

Or it's all a crock.
 
I don't care which one it is. All I want to know is, when the beer goggles wear off, howcome they're all coyote dates? :eek:
 
Hexxenhammer said:
I recommend reading "Saucer Wisdom" by Rudy Rucker for the real low-down on alien abduction. It's people from the future.
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Ah, I didn't know someone had gone the time traveler route in explaining abductions yet.

Course, it could be angels or demons or Atlanteans or *gasp* hysteria. I favor the last hypothesis myself.

I just find the extraterrestrial hypothesis to be equally unfounded as demons or time travelers.
 
They are not aliens or time travellers!

They are intraterrestrials! They come from the great cavity in the Earth, the one with a sun inside!

How come you guys never realised this?

*gotta stop eating those mushrooms*
 
Man, how wrong could you all have it?

WE are descended from THEM! Isn't it just a little odd how humans suddenly appeared where stoopid apes had knuckle-walked over the savannas of Africa?

Here's how it all happened - these aliens were doing social experiments concerning the rise of their own civilisation. They bred themselves with ape DNA, and produced us - ape/alien hybrids, called humans. Their experiment has been going on for a few million years (nothing in 'alien time') and they continue to monitor us. There are about a dozen similar alien experiments in the universe, all just to provide them with answers of their own sociological history.

And when it's all over, their going to autoclave us and publish their findings in the 'Universal Journal of Zog Sociology'.

Duh!

Athon:book:
 
Hexxenhammer said:
I recommend reading "Saucer Wisdom" by Rudy Rucker for the real low-down on alien abduction. It's people from the future.
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OK. Thanks for clearing that one up.
 
Ratman_tf said:
Course, it could be angels or demons or Atlanteans or *gasp* hysteria. I favor the last hypothesis myself.
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Let's not forget the 'It's the Russians' theory.

Mind you since the walls came down they seem to be too busy importing Levi's and exporting Mail Order brides to be as keen on abducting red necks as they used to be.
 
Yeah I've heard the time travelling post-human idea before. Actually, whoever made some of the alleged Roswell wreckage that was photographed also seems to have had the same idea - there's some kind of writing on one bit I saw in a documentary that seemed to be kind of like our alphabet, but weirdified (presumably with the intention of making people ask why they've got a similar alphabet to our own, assuming the pieces were hoaxed).

Another point is that, if the greys are involved in an interbreeding program, that'd pretty much rule out an extraterrestrial origin for them: I think it was Carl Sagan who pointed out that if they were aliens, you'd have more chance of mating successfully with a petunia.

Anyway, I think all this conclusively proves that greys are time travellers from the future.






President Truman: What is your business here? Do you intend to create some kind of human-alien hybrid?

Zoidberg: Are you coming on to me?
 
I think this was best argued in the 1984 movie Repo Man. :)

Miller: Well, the way I see it, it's exactly the same: there ain't no difference between a flying saucer and a time machine. People get so hung up on specifics, they miss out on seeing the whole thing. Take South America for example: South America, thousands of people go missing every year. Nobody knows where they go: they just like disappear. But if you think about it for a minute, you realize something. There had to be a time when there were no people, right?
Otto: Yeah, I guess.
Miller: Well, where'd all these people come from? Hm? I'll tell you where: the future. Where'd all those people disappear to, hm?
Otto: The past?
Miller: That's right! And how'd they get there?
Otto: How the fudge do I know?
Miller: Flying saucers! Which are really... yeah you got it... time machines.

(only he didn't say fudge)
 
Ratman_tf said:


Woah woah woah here! You're talking about general relativity. If you had a spacecraft able to approach the speed of light (You could never attain or break the speed of light with any technology we know of now.) as you got closer and closer, time dilation would take effect. Time would seem to pass normaly for you. Awake, asleep, taking a shower, playing video games, drinking a cup of coffee, everything in said spaceship seemd absolutley normal. (Except maybe the view out the viewscreen.) But time passes much slowly for you. You just aren't aware of it. When you got back to earth, you would be in the future from your perspective. From the perspective of the people you left behind, you would have left a long time ago, maybe hundreds or thousands of years ago, but for you, it only seemed like months or years.
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WHAT >!?! How the hell does travelling quickly slow down time? What a load of crap. Can someone point me in the right direction where I can study up on this? Because if scientists or physicists are walking around believing this crap.....man are they in for a rude shock...IMO anyway.

And who says you can’t travel faster than the speed of light? Why couldn't a ‘spaceship' just keep accelerating? There is no limit to how slow something can go, and there is no limit to how FAST something can go. Sure you wouldn’t be able to SEE where you’re going, but when you get home the same amount of time would have passed for you and the entire universe. Time is the only constant.

Please, someone, prove me wrong.
 
Purple Tentacle said:



WHAT >!?! How the hell does travelling quickly slow down time? What a load of crap. Can someone point me in the right direction where I can study up on this? Because if scientists or physicists are walking around believing this crap.....man are they in for a rude shock...IMO anyway.

And who says you can’t travel faster than the speed of light? Why couldn't a ‘spaceship' just keep accelerating? There is no limit to how slow something can go, and there is no limit to how FAST something can go. Sure you wouldn’t be able to SEE where you’re going, but when you get home the same amount of time would have passed for you and the entire universe. Time is the only constant.

Please, someone, prove me wrong.
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Um? You've never heard of Albert Einstein or his theory of relativity before?
 
Nucular said:
Yeah I've heard the time travelling post-human idea before. Actually, whoever made some of the alleged Roswell wreckage that was photographed also seems to have had the same idea - there's some kind of writing on one bit I saw in a documentary that seemed to be kind of like our alphabet, but weirdified (presumably with the intention of making people ask why they've got a similar alphabet to our own, assuming the pieces were hoaxed).
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I realise that you are being ironic here, but just incase anyone out there was wondering, the so called alien writing was infact nothing more than floral patterns on the adhesive tape that was used on the balloon. The full facts of the Roswell case are here....

Roswell Fable

The article I have linked to is extensive and comprehensive. A great case study in how the mundane can be turned into the extraordinary in the hands of bad researchers.
 
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