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Ali Seifoori

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I wonder if he denies a trained attack dog will bite him?

Pesonally I would be willing to donate to a fund to put him in a padded canvas suit and have a police handler sic a police attack dog on him.

We could donate the money raised to the charity of choice of the police force helping with the test.

All I ask in return for my donation is that the whole event is captured on video and posted on this site so I can laugh my socks off.

Simon.

PS lots of ;)s attaced to this posting.

;) ;) ;)
 
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I'm sure the local police force wherever Ali Bongo lives in the UK wouldn't mind helping out, for charity. And I, too, would pay good money for a video of this.
 
Orangutan said:
I wonder if he denies a trained attack dog will bite him?
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His claim letter specifically states NO DOG.

I'd really love to see this claim tested.
 
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KRAMER said:
His claim letter specifically states NO DOG.

I'd really love to see this claim tested.
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Well, it could be. As was mentioned in the first post. If he doesn't go into hiding maybe run it past him. He'll have to pay for all expenses of course. I believe a police dog can be called off as quick as it can be set on a person, shouldn't be too dangerous with the right gear..
 
I wish.

No, the applicant was Iranian, and emailing from London.
 
I wonder if the notion of involving lions with lunatic schemes is part of a new growing trend? If so I'm all for it and look forward to some very entertaining news reports...
 
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KRAMER said:
His claim letter specifically states NO DOG.

I'd really love to see this claim tested.
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Help! I'm being attacked by NO DOG!
 
Ooof!

Well, this applicant has just won the prize for the most foul-mouthed tirade ever offered in response to JREF's position regarding his claim.

I cannot post it (due to its profane content), but I can tell you that he told me where to go, along with specifics on what would be done to me there once I arrived.

He then told me to take "Randy Boy" with me.

We blocked his email address.
 
The latest from ALI -

Well, I blocked his email, but Randi did not...

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ali Seifoori [mailto:*****************]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:24 PM
To: randi@randi.org
Subject: RE: Challenge

Dear Mr. Randi,

As you know some people do anything to get rich: unfortunately I've overstepped my limit and in the process disgraced only myself.

I now apologise once more, and make a quick exit.

Yours faithfully

Ali
 
Hi,
I'm Ali; my claim is true. Unfortunately I cannot demonstrate my powers for the time being.
 
Hi Ali! Welcome to the forums!

As you probably know, the JREF FAQ states that the JREF will not accept a protocal that could involve the applicant being injured. Since your original claim seems as though it could involve personal injury if things don't go as planned, how might you get around that? Do you have a similar power that could be tested safely?

Also, how do you know that no dog (or lion) will bite you? I've never been biten either, but that's probably because I don't spend much time around lions or unfriendly dogs.
 
Ali said:
Hi,
I'm Ali; my claim is true. Unfortunately I cannot demonstrate my powers for the time being.
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How do you propose to demonstrate your "powers"?
What will constitute a success?
What will constitute a failure?
Can you provide proof that someone has witnessed your "powers"?
 
Ali said:
Hi,
I'm Ali; my claim is true. Unfortunately I cannot demonstrate my powers for the time being.
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If you can't take the challenge because the million dollar prize will overstep your limits for cashing in on your powers (as you claimed in the letter to Randi). Then I hereby invite you to do it for free, or otherwise you could take the prize and donate it all to a charity of your own choice.

As per this thread I'm not really sure what your claim is (the OP link isn't working), but we should be able to test your claim with a protection suit and a trained attack dog if you claim that such a dog won't bite you. Is that your claim?

ETA: Ok, I found your claim. "No DOG, whatever its size, no matter how wild or how hungry, will bite me". This should be easy to test with a trained attack dog and a protection suit, you don't need to worry about the prize. Would you agree to such a test?
 
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Of course I want the $1m prize, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time.
However I don't think the prize is for real, so I'm not taking it seriously any more.
 
Ali said:
Of course I want the $1m prize, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time.
However I don't think the prize is for real, so I'm not taking it seriously any more.
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Ali, the "I don't think the prize is real" claim is usually the first excuse used to sidestep being tested. However, since it seems that there is a real potential for your own personal harm, I think it best that you just walk away.
 
Ali said:
Of course I want the $1m prize, otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time.
However I don't think the prize is for real, so I'm not taking it seriously any more.
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The prize is there, but it's very usual for frauds to claim that it isn't so they have an excuse for not being tested.

I ask again, would you agree to a test where we sic a trained dog on you while you're in a protection suit?
Skeptic Guy said:
Ali, the "I don't think the prize is real" claim is usually the first excuse used to sidestep being tested. However, since it seems that there is a real potential for your own personal harm, I think it best that you just walk away.
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I fail to see how he would get harmed if he's in a protection suit and we use a trained dog.
 
Thomas said:
I fail to see how he would get harmed if he's in a protection suit and we use a trained dog.
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Except that you could argue the dog bit the suit and not him (and given police dogs are trained on those suits its a fair call.) The only fair trial would be to expose him to real harm and that of course is outside the rules.
 
Ginarley said:
Except that you could argue the dog bit the suit and not him (and given police dogs are trained on those suits its a fair call.) The only fair trial would be to expose him to real harm and that of course is outside the rules.
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And if he had a sweater on, you could argue that the dog attacked the sweater, and if we strip him naked you could say the dog didn't like his skin color, and blah blah blah.

His claim is that no dog will attack him, that's it, and I think it's fair to test that claim by siccing a dog on him provided he is well protected. His sweater, pants, skin color or what else he might would wear, is not part of his claim, and perhaps you should let him change his claim himself, if he wants to.
 
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