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MarkyX said:
http://www.rsicc.org/Members/AlexJones/index.html

Yep, good old AJ was part of the RSICC. Don't know what it is?

"Remnant Saints Inter-Continental Congress - Toward the Establishment of the Government of God on Earth"

Fun.
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Strong mormon influence on that site. Whoever runs it quotes from mormon scripture. Can't tell you much about it. I don't think I have ever heard of these guys, even when I was involved with conspiracists myself.
 
MarkyX said:
"Remnant Saints Inter-Continental Congress - Toward the Establishment of the Government of God on Earth"

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Scary.
Do you guys think he's got an agenda involving this stuff or does he really not want anything to do with this group?
 
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Interesting...heavy mormon influence...AJ connected. Steven Jones, a big time mormon...are you thinking what I am thinking...

CONSPIRACY!!!!!
 
I wouldn't be too scared of this guy if he is a member of the mainstream mormon church. The church leaders believe that a good public image is essential to the work we're trying to accomplish. So we tend to have a moderating influence on our more extreme members.

If he's involved in some splinter group that broke off from our church, or is on his own, then I can't vouch for his stability.
 
This is too funny, but nothing I've observed in Alex would point toward a Mormon influence.

I'm willing to bet Alex thinks the mormons are part of the conspiracy. I found an article at Alex's site, InfoWars. It seems to be saying the Mormons are doubleplus ungood--because they encourage illegal immigration. (Alex, of course, is vehemently for closing the borders):

"Many Mormons see the tens of thousands of Latin American immigrants who have arrived in the seat of the church as guided by the hand of God in order to be converted, critical players in an unfolding religious tale of biblical proportions."

Though I think the Mormon-takeover idea ought to be pitched as a movie idea.
 
PerryLogan said:
This is too funny, but nothing I've observed in Alex would point toward a Mormon influence.

I'm willing to bet Alex thinks the mormons are part of the conspiracy. I found an article at Alex's site, InfoWars. It seems to be saying the Mormons are doubleplus ungood--because they encourage illegal immigration. (Alex, of course, is vehemently for closing the borders):

"Many Mormons see the tens of thousands of Latin American immigrants who have arrived in the seat of the church as guided by the hand of God in order to be converted, critical players in an unfolding religious tale of biblical proportions."

Though I think the Mormon-takeover idea ought to be pitched as a movie idea.
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alex jones is a great american

the borders should be shut rather than treating all american citizens as terrorists
 
pdoherty76 said:
alex jones is a great american

the borders should be shut rather than treating all american citizens as terrorists
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What arrests? Last time I checked, Alex Jones bullhorned and gave high-fives on Ground Zero.

What kind of half-ass police state are you guys running here, what with all the freedom of speech and dissent? You Americans can't do anything right. :rolleyes:
 
PerryLogan said:
This is too funny, but nothing I've observed in Alex would point toward a Mormon influence.

I'm willing to bet Alex thinks the mormons are part of the conspiracy. I found an article at Alex's site, InfoWars. It seems to be saying the Mormons are doubleplus ungood--because they encourage illegal immigration. (Alex, of course, is vehemently for closing the borders):

"Many Mormons see the tens of thousands of Latin American immigrants who have arrived in the seat of the church as guided by the hand of God in order to be converted, critical players in an unfolding religious tale of biblical proportions."

Though I think the Mormon-takeover idea ought to be pitched as a movie idea.
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What a load of garbage.

I've read the church handbook of instructions for church officers. The handbook specifically discourages church officers from sponsoring members for emigration into the US and Canada unless there is a clear need for asylum. Though the church does not stand in the way of those who wish to emigrate, the church prefers that members stay where they are to help build the church in thier native countries.

The church believes that taking good people out of mexico, letin and south america will not help mexico latin and south america become better places.
 
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pdoherty76 said:
alex jones is a great american

the borders should be shut rather than treating all american citizens as terrorists
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Uh, well,

A) No. He's a great snake-oil salesman, who happens to have been born in America.
B) To keep THEM out, or YOU in? (I opt for the latter, I'm in Asia and I think America has a duty to keep their self-fertilized nutbar irrationals walled in.)
 
A.Jones and the rest of the O.G. "troofer's", are nothing more than Daedalus! The father of Icarus, in their case... the Real Truth is what they fly, too close to.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
What a load of garbage.

I've read the church handbook of instructions for church officers. The handbook specifically discourages church officers from sponsoring members for emigration into the US and Canada unless there is a clear need for asylum. Though the church does not stand in the way of those who wish to emigrate, the church prefers that members stay where they are to help build the church in thier native countries.

The church believes that taking good people out of mexico, letin and south america will not help mexico latin and south america become better places.
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Sword, if you don't mind my asking, how strong is pacifism in the Mormon community? In Phoenix we have a cartoonist named Steve Benson, (grandson of Ezra Taft Benson), who is an extreme pacifist--abhors war, and even did a cartoon a number of years back knocking Harry Truman for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima in WWII.

And then I read this open letter today from Steven Jones and I can't help wondering if that's somehow the tie-in to BYU. BTW, there are two other BYU profs in the "Scholars": Dillon K. Inouye, Instructional Psychology and Technology and Kenneth Kuttler, Mathematics. And I have had several BYU students write us at SLC who were clearly in the CT camp. Here's a relevant passage on Jones' pacifism:

Because of my concern for college-age students I have taught and loved for decades, I am motivated to speak out emphatically against what I judge – after thorough study and reflection – to be terrible wars, wars of aggression, founded on deceptions.
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I'm not trying to tie 9-11 Denial to Mormonism but wondering if it's appealing to a segment of the community for an obvious reason like pacifism, much like some libertarians seem to be attracted to 9-11 Denial because of opposition to the Patriot Act.
 
Pacifism as a religious doctrine is non-existant in mormonism. That is not to say we don't prefer peace, we abhor warfare, but the occaisional need for war to establish a just peace is well recognized as is the need for soldiers to man the ramparts in times of peace. A great deal of the book of mormon is taken up by stories of the ongoing hot and cold wars between the Nephites and the Lamanites. Several of the heroes of the Book of Mormon were commanding officers in the Nephite armies.

Mormons noted for thier military service include Capt Mervyn Bennion USN, mortally wounded at the battle of Pearl Harbor, he was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for saving his ship, the USS West Virginia and became the first mormon to have a US Navy warship named after him. General Robert C. Oaks, formerly the commander of US Air Forces in Europe currently serves in the Quorum of the Seventy. Robert D. Hales, a former USAF fighter pilot serves on the churches Quorum of the Twelve. As does Richard G. Scott, a nuclear engineer and former member of Admiral Hyman G. Rickover's staff (a position wich would require a saint if ever there was one ;) ). Lt. General Bruce Carlson, C.O. of the United States 8th Air Force is also LDS.

Last, but by no means least, is my father; Lt. Paul Hinman. Formerly of the 14th Canadian Hussars Armoured Regiment. ;)

The general sense I get from the membership of the church is that they are very supportive of the war on terror. Utah is an unbreakable republican stronghold, politically speaking. Like many christian sects, the LDS church is very pro-Israel and the threat against both us here in North America and Israel by extremist islam is of great concern to us. The "let Israel die" attitude expressed by even those twoofers not overtly anti-semitic runs contrary to the basic feelings held by the vast majority of mormons. Like the general public as a whole, 9-11 twoofiness just isn't registering with the members of the church. But those who are aware of it regard it as absurd and nonsensical. There is a small handful of LDS whom I have shown your research on the links Jones has developed with the neo-nazi movement and they have all been disgusted with Jones's new friends (free plug there for ya, Brainy ;) ).

Here's a sampling of Mormon thought on the Jones affair that represents the mainstream of the church:

An embarrasment... good riddance"

Pandering to paranoia for popularity.

Well those of you calling for BYU to do something about Steve Jones will be happy.

EDIT: Regarding Steve Benson, he left the church many years ago and became one of it's most voiciferous critics. He's since become a sterotypical member of the liberal media. Steve Bensons pacifism is Steven Bensons.
 
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Josh Redstone said:
Scary.
Do you guys think he's got an agenda involving this stuff or does he really not want anything to do with this group?
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I started wondering about this guy's agenda when I saw the two Bohemian Grove videos. In the first one he mentions being religious and in the second he starts...
[patronising voice] "noooo, we can't teach religion in our schooools" [/pv] as a comment on the woos dancing about with their bucket of water.
 
sat556 said:
I started wondering about this guy's agenda when I saw the two Bohemian Grove videos. In the first one he mentions being religious and in the second he starts...
[patronising voice] "noooo, we can't teach religion in our schooools" [/pv] as a comment on the woos dancing about with their bucket of water.
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First time I saw alex jones was in the jon ronson 'secret rulers of the world' episode to do with bohemian grove.

My immediate impression was that this was a loud, right-wing religious nutcase who personified the extreme rhetoric of the CT mindset.

Obviously he managed to build on the coverage he got from Ronson's programme and 9/11 was just the icing on the cake for jones as he was discovered (or more likely go right into the faces of the 'truthers') by the CT crowd and adopted as some kinda mentor or.....ahem.... elder... (cough) ... statesman (I'm sorry, even I couldn't help laughing at that one....oh dear :D )

But he is patently a fantasist, paranoid and delusional.

It is no credit to anyone to use him as a source for ideas about 9/11

I have had debates in other places with intelligent, coherent and skeptical people about politics and yet when it comes to 9/11 they really do accept any old crap from the likes of jones.

Whereas when debating with some extreme rightwinger who uses Townhall.com, or freerepublic or coulter or fox or any number of obscure right wing 'news sources', they will ridicule those sources mercilessly (and correctly) and yet 9/11 seems to blind some of them and circumvent their critical thinking abilities.
 
Er...I'm not sure if Sword of Truth got my point back there.

I was citing an article on Alex Jones's website suggesting that Alex may disapprove of the Mormons. (I can't post links yet, so I merely quoted the article.) You know Alex--he disapproves of everybody.

The point would be that if Alex Jones posts anti-Mormon articles, he is probably not a card-carrying Mormon. I was voicing no personal opinions about Mormons--only speculating about Alex.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
EDIT: Regarding Steve Benson, he left the church many years ago and became one of it's most voiciferous critics. He's since become a sterotypical member of the liberal media. Steve Bensons pacifism is Steven Bensons.
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Thanks for replying in the same spirit I asked the question. My impression of Benson is that while he's certainly anti-Mormon and fanatically anti-war, he's not quite a liberal. For example, one of his most famous cartoons was one showing Geraldine Ferraro telling Mary and Joseph that there's no room at her inn, but have they considered abortion counseling? Of course, his pro-life stance could be seen as an extension of his pacifism as well.
 
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