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Split Thread Akron police shoot unarmed man 60 times

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This one in Akron will probably warrant a thread on its own. My first info on it was the released bodycam footage. It looked pretty standard until the end, when (already verified) eight police officers shot an unarmed man at least 60 times. I thought the chief said "16 times" even though I'd heard the footage. I mean, it's like that demonstration scene in Robocop that was total overkill -- I even went "Holy ******" when I saw it.

Usually I can (and do) speculate on what may have happened, due to initial flimsy reports or possible flat-out lying, but I can't even imaging what kind of scenario would warrant that kind of firepower response. The family's calling for peaceful protest but I think this one will inevitably escalate.
 
alfaniner said:
This one in Akron will probably warrant a thread on its own. My first info on it was the released bodycam footage. It looked pretty standard until the end, when (already verified) eight police officers shot an unarmed man at least 60 times. I thought the chief said "16 times" even though I'd heard the footage. I mean, it's like that demonstration scene in Robocop that was total overkill -- I even went "Holy ******" when I saw it.

Usually I can (and do) speculate on what may have happened, due to initial flimsy reports or possible flat-out lying, but I can't even imaging what kind of scenario would warrant that kind of firepower response. The family's calling for peaceful protest but I think this one will inevitably escalate.
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16 times or 60 times, he appears to have earned it.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/03/1109624745/jayland-walker-akron-ohio

People never learn. Well, you won't have to tell him twice.
 
Warp12 said:
16 times or 60 times, he appears to have earned it.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/03/1109624745/jayland-walker-akron-ohio

People never learn. Well, you won't have to tell him twice.
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The portion of the story where the police chief reports that the officers were kept apart so they couldn’t get their stories to match is an obvious lie. There is zero chance that that actually happened.

Cops just can’t help lying about these shootings even when there is no obvious apparent reason to do so.
 
I heard about this on NPR. What they described is similar to the article: Cops wanted to pull over a vehicle, the driver did not comply, the suspect fired a shot out the window, he exited the still-moving vehicle with a ski mask on, something about a taser, the suspect may have made a suspicious movement, then the police absolutely pumped him full of lead. So, I'm trying to process all of that when they cut to an interview with a protestor saying he's fighting for justice because that chalk outline could have been him. Could it have been you? You don't pull over when you get lit up? You have a summer ski mask and a gun? You'd fire a shot out of your car? You'd try to out-run the cops on foot? Are you suicidal?

You could have been Trayvon Martin. You could have been Philando Castile. You could have been Tyisha Miller. You could be and maybe have been someone harassed by the police. All of Jayland Walker's behavior seems to run contrary to what's covered in "the talk."
 
The Mayor of Akron called the incident "heartbreaking". I'm not sure which adjectives I'd use to describe what happened, but heartbreaking is definitely not on the list.

Now if he would have hit and seriously injured of killed innocent passers-by during the car chase, that would have been heartbreaking.

60 shots does seem like a lot, but I've got better things to worry about.
 
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Even though Jayland Walker was unarmed at the time he was killed, he obviously was not unarmed when he was pulled over. The police would have reason to believe at the time Walker left his vehicle he was armed and prepared to fire. In my opinion, that should have led to a standoff and not free-for-all shootout.

"An armed society is a polite society.," Yeah, right. An armed society is a paranoid society, where people are prepared to shoot first lest they be shot.
 
Another tale of sorry-ass **** ups on both sides.

One, wearing a ski mask, shoots at police during a freaking traffic stop. Suicide warrant signed.

The cops go full-on shooting gallery, insuring the public will never trust them again.

I just hate people.
 
Maybe that leaves 59 other perps the cops won't feel the need to shoot?
 
I noticed the victim is being described as unarmed in the news headline, but that an "unloaded" gun was later found in his vehicle and that police report being fired on first.

Any or all of that may be false, of course, but I do find it interesting how he's continually described as "unarmed" in the headlines. Is a gun that's fired all its bullets "unloaded" or "empty"? I would say there's a distinction to be made here if indeed it had been fired.
 
8 cops, so about 8 shots apiece?if the suspect hadn't dropped to the ground yet, I think the police are supposed to keep shooting till he drops, aren't they? The thing that makes it so weird is why there were 8 cops. One cop firing 8 times before the guy falls sort of makes sense. Why were 8 cops at the scene of a traffic stop?
 
Ron Obvious said:
I noticed the victim is being described as unarmed in the news headline, but that an "unloaded" gun was later found in his vehicle and that police report being fired on first.

Any or all of that may be false, of course, but I do find it interesting how he's continually described as "unarmed" in the headlines. Is a gun that's fired all its bullets "unloaded" or "empty"? I would say there's a distinction to be made here if indeed it had been fired.
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The gun was unloaded, but it's loaded magazine was right next to it, along with a spent casing. Not "unloaded" in the way they are making it out to sound.
 
Thermal said:
8 cops, so about 8 shots apiece?if the suspect hadn't dropped to the ground yet, I think the police are supposed to keep shooting till he drops, aren't they? The thing that makes it so weird is why there were 8 cops. One cop firing 8 times before the guy falls sort of makes sense. Why were 8 cops at the scene of a traffic stop?
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There’s video available from following one of the links above. It was a traffic stop, he took off, reportedly fired, then after the car chase ran out the passenger side on foot wearing a ski mask. So the car chase explains the 8 officers. 60 shots still seems bit excessive, but lots of them were fired simultaneously.
 
sarge said:
The portion of the story where the police chief reports that the officers were kept apart so they couldn’t get their stories to match is an obvious lie. There is zero chance that that actually happened.

Cops just can’t help lying about these shootings even when there is no obvious apparent reason to do so.
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I know that police chief. When I first heard his name I thought, ****, did this happen in Bellevue? :eek: He was the police chief here in Bellevue for a number of years. I gave him a hep B vaccination.

When I checked on our police chief I saw that he left here for a job in Ohio last year. What a one year anniversary, a police shooting and a rowdy protest following it.

About keeping 8 officers apart, that would be very difficult. If they planted the gun, they would all be aware to lie about that. But if the gun can be tied to the victim, and it had been fired, that would support the claim they thought the victim was armed. If they fired the weapon themselves there would be suspicious missing body cam footage. Lots of things that could trip them up.

But one thing I will say about Chief Mylett, he released the body cam footage right away. He didn't sit on it like a lot of police chiefs have done with similar circumstances.
 
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I know that police chief. When I first heard his name I thought, ****, did this happen in Bellevue? :eek: He was the police chief here in Bellevue for a number of years. I gave him a hep B vaccination.

When I checked on our police chief I saw that he left here for a job in Ohio last year. What a one year anniversary, a police shooting and a rowdy protest following it.

About keeping 8 officers apart, that would be very difficult. If they planted the gun, they would all be aware to lie about that. But if the gun can be tied to the victim, and it had been fired, that would support the claim they thought the victim was armed. If they fired the weapon themselves there would be suspicious missing body cam footage. Lots of things that could trip them up.

But one thing I will say about Chief Mylett, he released the body cam footage right away. He didn't sit on it like a lot of police chiefs have done with similar circumstances.
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All 8 of the cops were together in same spot for some amount of time in the immediate aftermath of the chase and shooting. There is no chance that they didn’t discuss the events and norm their story. The Chief lied about that.

That the cops were able to talk amongst themselves about what had just happened doesn’t mean that they made any of this up. It isn’t evidence that they did anything wrong. The Chief lying about the cops being segregated before they had a chance to ‘get their story together’ is just how cops do things.
 
This looks bad for the cops, but I will wait until we know more rather then make a instand decision based on political ideology in this case ie. the police are bad.
 
dudalb said:
So you approve the idea of cops acting as judge jury and excutioner?
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Under the conditions of a known shooter, wearing a ski mask in summer, running away? I approve of cops protecting the public by shooting him.

NOT 60 times.

I figure some departments have the policy "if everybody shoots him, there are bound to be multiple possibly lethal wounds. Which ever officer killed him will be unknown." Less personal remorse, less likely to get singled out for retribution. Because such a policy is the only reason I can see for 60 hits. and how many misses? Do we have a total number of shots fired?
 
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