Affirmative action and hiring policies

[The idea]

Originally posted by Skeptic
in the thread Why no debate on white guys qualifications??

Those who suffer the most from this, of course, are qualified blacks. For all I know Thomas IS the best man for the job; but because he is black, this needs to be proven with far greater rigor than for a non-white candidate. In the "old days", [fewer] blacks made it to college or graduate school, but if they DID, you knew they were, on average, as good as--if anything, better--than the whites who did it. Now, due to affirmative action, it is the other way around.

How often does someone get hired by saying "I was admitted to such and such college or graduate school"? Isn't it important to actually pass some courses?

If you're in a position to hire, then aren't you in a position to require applicants to submit academic transcripts so that you can see their grades?

 

[drkitten]

How often does someone get hired by saying "I was admitted to such and such college or graduate school"? Isn't it important to actually pass some courses?

Affirmative action also implicitly includes a lowering of the academic standards once in place -- for example, by the provision of special "minority" academic assistance programs, and sometimes by outright grade or program manipulation.

With grade inflation as out of control as it has become in recent decades, "actually passing some courses" is much less difficult or meaningful than you might think.

John McWhorter has a good book, called "Losing the Race," that discusses black educational achievement from a black conservative's viewpoint. You might be interested in looking at his view on affirmative action.

 

[The idea]

Affirmative action also implicitly includes a lowering of the academic standards once in place -- for example, by the provision of special "minority" academic assistance programs, and sometimes by outright grade or program manipulation.

Are you talking about affirmative action per se or are you talking about how affirmative action has been implemented in particular places? If affirmative action initiatives were to include strong policies to prevent grade manipulation, then on what basis could you say that they implicitly include grade manipulation?

What about places where there was a caste system for thousands of years? Should governments in those places have done no more than repeal the laws that discriminated against those considered to be below the lowest caste?

 

[Tmy]

Re: Re: Affirmative action and hiring policies

Affirmative action also implicitly includes a lowering of the academic standards once in place -- for example, by the provision of special "minority" academic assistance programs, and sometimes by outright grade or program manipulation.

Thats bullflop! Most schools have blid grading. And state licensing exams dont take into account race or whatever.