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Abu Abbas captured in Iraq

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Just heard that on the radio, no links yet.

I had no idea the bastard was hiding in Iraq. I knew Abu Nidal was there (died under strange circumstances about a year ago). For those of you who do not know, Abu Abbas was the leader of the group (Palestinian Liberation Front) that hijacked Achille Lauro cruise liner in mid-80s, with elderly passengers aboard and killed an elderly man by pushing him over the edge in his wheelchair. For a while he was sheltered by the PLO and operating in the territories. I think he was tried in absentia in Italy, but did not serve any time. How did he end up in Iraq?
 
renata said:
Just heard that on the radio, no links yet.

I had no idea the bastard was hiding in Iraq. I knew Abu Nidal was there (died under strange circumstances about a year ago). For those of you who do not know, Abu Abbas was the leader of the group (Palestinian Liberation Front) that hijacked Achille Lauro cruise liner in mid-80s, with elderly passengers aboard and killed an elderly man by pushing him over the edge in his wheelchair. For a while he was sheltered by the PLO and operating in the territories. I think he was tried in absentia in Italy, but did not serve any time. How did he end up in Iraq?
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Most people have forgotten the PLF/PLO reign of terror. Italy prevented us from capturing this man. I hope now he gets his just due.
 
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Mel said:


Why not Iraq? The PLO wants to cover as wide a range as possible.
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It does not surprise me he was hiding in Iraq. I just did not know that he was, and was hoping someone did.
 
I'm sure Saddam was well aware A.A. was operating in his country but I doubt he sent out formal announcements to his enemies. lol

So we can only seem to find people if we don't "know" their whereabouts? OBL, Saddam.... both officially MIA.

Weird, ain't it? :confused: lol
 
Cross-posted from the thread cleopatra started on the same topic

From what I can see, this is a pretty funny story (not the hijacking, but the "capture" which the Americans are trumpeting as a major success, presumably because they haven't achieved anything better).

Everyone has known that Abu Abbas was in Iraq for years so this is nothing new.

The Israeli government was so convinced that he had renounced terrorism that they let him visit Gaza several times in the late 90's (according to a BBC report I heard this morning).

This is pretty much what many people (including myself) said could happen : if the coalition fails to find its real WMDs and terrorists, it will create major victories from very minor things.
 
Italy wants him extradited. The PLO wants him released.

The mind boggles
 
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a_unique_person said:


Show me where it was said.
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You got the link in the quote in your post and you ask to see where it was said? Ever try reading? It's not a complicated thing really
 
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a_unique_person said:


Show me where it was said.
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I thought I just did...
iain said:

The Israeli government was so convinced that he had renounced terrorism that they let him visit Gaza several times in the late 90's (according to a BBC report I heard this morning).

This is pretty much what many people (including myself) said could happen : if the coalition fails to find its real WMDs and terrorists, it will create major victories from very minor things.
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I doubt the family of Leon Klinghoffer considers him a minor terrorist. They didn't sign any deals, the Clinton admin. did. Bush is not bound by that.
Send him on a plane to Cairo, w/ a stopover in Rome of course. Not our fault, don't ya know, those pesky airline schedules.
 
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WildCat said:
I doubt the family of Leon Klinghoffer considers him a minor terrorist. They didn't sign any deals, the Clinton admin. did.
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I'm sure you are right, but then even they might consider a war in which over a thousand people died at a cost of over $100 billion is a high price to pay to bring him to justice.
 
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iain said:
I'm sure you are right, but then even they might consider a war in which over a thousand people died at a cost of over $100 billion is a high price to pay to bring him to justice.
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I'm sure they would if that was the sole cause or reason for the war. But as it's no more than a bonus effect I'd have to say it wasn't the reason for the war or the deaths of those in the war. Wouldn't you agree?
 
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Italy wants him extradited. The PLO wants him released.

The mind boggles
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Didn't the Italians refuse to extradite him to the United States back in the 80s (after the U.S. Navy forced down an airplane he was traveling in), preferring to try him in Italy instead? I believe he was tried, convicted and deported from Italy instead of serving time, IIRC.
 
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Troll said:


I'm sure they would if that was the sole cause or reason for the war. But as it's no more than a bonus effect I'd have to say it wasn't the reason for the war or the deaths of those in the war. Wouldn't you agree?
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I agree. The reason for war was very clearly stated by both Bush and Blair : to protect the West from the threat that Iraq and its WMDs posed.

There were other justifications given immediately prior to the war which included capturing terrorists hiding in Iraq and freeing the Iraqi people from Saddam. It may well be that, even if it turns out Iraq did not pose a serious threat to the West, the achievement of these will be enough to justify the war.
 
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WildCat said:

I thought I just did...
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Originally posted by renata
I had no idea the bastard was hiding in Iraq.
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This was one of Bush's reasons for going to war in the first place.

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President Bush mentioned Abbas in an October speech in which he outlined the United States' argument for removing Iraqi President Saddam Hussein from power.
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But of course the Bush-is-Hitler people just dismissed it as Nazi lies.
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where?
 
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WildCat said:

This was one of Bush's reasons for going to war in the first place.

But of course the Bush-is-Hitler people just dismissed it as Nazi lies. :rolleyes:
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34067-2003Apr15.html
Achille Lauro Planner Captured
Special Operations Troops Arrest Abbas in Baghdad
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Abbas, 54, who had spent much of the 1980s and early 1990s living in Tunisia, Algeria and Libya, is believed to have moved to Iraq in 1994.
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So let me see,

Spending of well over $100 billion,
trashing the US/UN relationship,
driving away countries that should be allies (e.g. France and Russia),
the killing of hundreds (possibly thousands), and
getting the USA involved in months, and perhaps years, of Iraq stewardship just to catch one person.

At the very least, this is not a very effective use of resources because it would only take about a score of such cases to completely bankrupt the USA and leave it greatly weakend

However, expending vast resources just to capture a few high-profile criminals would serve the interests of enemies of the USA (due to the latest Gulf War there are now more these than ever before) because it is unlikely that they will sit around quietly while we sort our financial problems.

Go figure!
 
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Crossbow said:


Spending of well over $100 billion,
trashing the US/UN relationship,
driving away countries that should be allies (e.g. France and Russia),
the killing of hundreds (possibly thousands), and
getting the USA involved in months, and perhaps years, of Iraq stewardship just to catch one person.

At the very least, this is not a very effective use of resources because it would only take about a score of such cases to completely bankrupt the USA and leave it greatly weakend

However, expending vast resources just to capture a few high-profile criminals would serve the interests of enemies of the USA (due to the latest Gulf War there are now more these than ever before) because it is unlikely that they will sit around quietly while we sort our financial problems.
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However much it takes to clean up terrorists and the corrupt countries where they enjoy freedom, it's probably a bargain compared to cleaning up AFTER a major terrorist attack on US soil.

US/UN relationship? The UN is a burden..... a very EXPENSIVE burden.

When is the last time France or Russia were our "allies?" Maybe during the Gulf War? But then again, Syria was also playing the part of ally then..... France, Russia & Syria.... who needs any of them?

To say we fought this war for ANY one reason is off the mark. The fact that there were so many good reasons to go into Iraq seems to be why Bush had trouble making a CLEAR and CONVINCING case to the international community. (And the fact that he's so arrogant and has no diplomatic skills didn't help either)
 
And, for a different point of view....

...Abbas was allowed to return to the Gaza Strip by an Israeli Security Committee which concluded he had renounced violence.

GAZA — The Palestinian Authority demanded on Wednesday the United States free Palestinian guerrilla leader Abu Abbas, saying his detention by U.S. forces in Iraq violated a Middle East peace deal signed by Washington.

...Abbas was sentenced in absentia in Italy to life in prison for planning the hijacking. Although he was the target of a manhunt after the incident, Washington dropped a warrant for his arrest several years ago.

"The Palestinian-Israeli interim agreement signed on September 28, 1995 stated that members of the Palestine Liberation Organization must not be detained or tried for matters they committed before the Oslo peace accord of September 13, 1993,'' Erekat said (speaking for the Palestinian Authority).

``This interim agreement was signed on the U.S. side by President Clinton and his secretary of state, Warren Christopher,'' Erekat added.

...In 1998, the Israeli Supreme Court, citing the interim peace deals with the Palestinians, declared Abbas immune from prosecution in Israel over the ship's hijacking.

...Abbas was allowed to return to the Gaza Strip by an Israeli Security Committee which concluded he had renounced violence.
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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/international/international-iraq-abbas-palestinians.html
 
Clancy said:
And, for a different point of view....

...Abbas was allowed to return to the Gaza Strip by an Israeli Security Committee which concluded he had renounced violence.
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Boy, I sure hope they didn't allow him to return with the thoughts of hunting him down like a dirty dog and accidently putting a bullet through his head???

Nah!!!! They'd never do something like THAT. :D
 
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