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""Abortion Survivor"?

sophia8

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http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article331008.ece

There are several things about this woman's story that make me doubtful. It ticks all the anti-abortion boxes - murderous abortionists, disabled babies, "I forgive my killer mom" etc. And, pretty, athletic and Christian, she's the perfect spokesperson for the "all abortion is murder" crowd.
Are there any facts that support it? Any hospital records, independent witnesses? Is her description of a saline-induced abortion at all accurate?
 
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Well, it looks like saline abortion does exist; according to this page it works by causing uterine contractions. And I know I've read when someone is having a litter - when they abuse fertility drugs and find they are gestating 6 or some other alarming number of fetuses - sometimes they selectively abort the weakest one by injecting saline, to save the others. But that's way earlier in the process. In general I don't think saline is common in these modern times. According to a few pages I found, some statistics refer to prostaglandin abortion procedures as saline abortions.
I looked up causes of cerebral palsy, and traumatic birth can cause it, so that checks out.
Incidentally, while I doubt it's pleasant for the fetus/baby, I don't see how the salt is going to burn like that on the 'outside' when the skin is covered with vernix...?
But gadzooks! Elective abortion at 7 1/2 months?! I would be interested in actual proof of that. No doctor does that, unless the fetus has some horrible tragic fatal problem (anacephalic, etc.). It's not legal, as far as I understand the laws.
 
Wow, that definately seems crafted to hit every fear and horror story there is. Ic could be true, but I would certainly want confirmation before I believed it.
 
You're just annoyed that she lived.

New contest... each time American posts something ignorant and inflammatory, whoever "beeps" first wins.

So, without further ado, "BEEP"
 
The abortionist wasn't on duty when I came into the world. Had he been there, he would have ended my life with strangulation, suffocation or leaving me there to die........The abortionist had to sign my birth certificate. He had to acknowledge a life that just hours before he was trying to end.

Perhaps it's been a while since I took the SAT section on reading comprehension, but is she saying the abortionist was, or wasn't present at her birth?

Oh, never mind. I see it. She meant he wasn't there, but hours later he signed her birth certificate. How long after a birth do they generally do that? I thought it was as soon as they washed their hands.

eta: So, her mother's doctor for the delivery was the same one who tried to abort the pregnancy? That seems odd.
 
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It doesn't seem to add up. I guess she means whoever gave the injection was the "abortionist" and whoever was there at the delivery somehow wasn't an "abortionist."

Also, that apparently her birth mother gave her every detail of who was present at which hour of the procedure...but didn't tell her why she chose to seek an abortion at 7 1/2 months?!

I know I'm going to hell for this, but I have this mental picture of this woman speaking at a podium about her trauma...with a coathanger embedded in her head. I know, I know. But since I'm pregnant right now, you have to mock me gently, okay?
 
Holy crap - I've seen that woman (or someone who had the same thing happen to her).

I went to Catholic elementary school, and my friend's mom dragged us off to hear her speak.
 
My wife saw this thread title and thought it was a new (and very disturbing) reality show.

I married a very strange person. :D
 
The Independent article linked to in the OP is no longer freely available, but you can get the gist, pretty much verbatim, from "testimony" given by this woman to the House Judiciary Committee in 1996 and again in 2000. Apparently, she's been regaling folks with this tale from the age of 14, i.e. half her life.

I don't buy her story. Not for a second. The various versions of her story are riddled with claims so unlikely I'd want to see truckload of documentary evidence before I even started to give credence to them. From the 2000 version:
A saline abortion is a solution of salt saline that is injected into the mothers womb. The baby then gulps the solution, it burns the baby inside and out and then the mother is to deliver a dead baby within 24 hours.

This happened to me! I remained in the solution for approximately 18 hours and was delivered ALIVE on April 6, 1977 at 6:00 am in a California abortion clinic. There were young women in the room who had already been given their injections and were waiting to deliver dead babies.
I'm supposed to believe that there is/was a clinic in California which not only conducted elective third-trimester abortions (unlikely to begin with), but performed several at a time, kept the patients in the clinic overnight and kept them all in one room? While they were all expected to expel a dead foetus at any time?

From the 1996 version:
I have met other survivors of abortion. They are all thankful for life. Only a few months ago I met another saline abortion survivor. Her name is Sarah. She is two years old. Sarah also has cerebral palsy, but her diagnosis is not good. She is blind and has severe seizures.
This "Sarah" is two years old, blind, suffering from cerebral palsy and seizures, yet Ms Jessen is capable of ascertaining that Sarah is "thankful for life." How? By telepathy?

And Ms Jessen supposedly suffers from cerebral palsy, but fortunately, as of 2000, she is left "only with a slight limp" and "no longer [has] need of a walker or leg braces." In this article in the Torygraph, she claims that:
"Two years ago, my upper-leg muscles had atrophied, so I had to build them up. I could only lift 30lb of weight. Now I can press over 200lb. It can be exhausting, but at least if you run, you get there faster."
Two years ago... so, late November or early December of 2003. Yet she finished last year's Music City Marathon (in Nashville TN), which was held on April 24th. From atrophied muscles to running a 7½ hour marathon in a mere five months!

And then there's this passage (also in the Telegraph):
When she was 16, a stranger came up to her and told her that children with disabilities were a burden on society. "I just looked at her, smiled and knew she was wrong," Miss Jessen says.
Straight out of the Jack Chick correspondence course in script-writing.

I think the essentials of her story are entirely untrue. Maybe it has some basis in fact; maybe she was born prematurely and given up for adoption by a mother who couldn't keep her; maybe she has cerebral palsy, but not anywhere near as severely as she makes out (conveniently, the four operations she supposedly underwent all occurred before the age of ten; note also that she credits Jesus with her recovery, not the surgeons). But I think her two cardinal claims--that she survived a third-trimester abortion and largely overcame cerebral palsy--are fabrications.

Here's a theory: her foster mother is a Jesus freak and indoctrinated her well. When the problem of theodicy reared its head (namely, if god loves me, why do I have cerebral palsy?), her foster mother cooked up the abortion story to explain it away; that way, it wasn't God's fault, but that of her biological mother and, of course, first and foremost, "the abortionist." And Gianna not only bought it, but took it on the road, to the delight of anti-abortionists and positive-thinking disabled people all over the English-speaking world.
 
My wife saw this thread title and thought it was a new (and very disturbing) reality show.

I married a very strange person. :D

It starts with 16 pregnant couples...and the family of the surviving fetus gets one million dollars!
 
It involved anesthetic challenges and coat hanger immunities. I'd rather not go into it.

Dang, if it wasn't such a political topic, it sounds like the foundation of a great short-story.
 
Yup, pretty much as I thought. I've checked her on the web and she tells the same basic story over and over - she seems to have made a career out of speaking about her 'miraculous' life story at churches and rallies. Hmm, she reminds me of somebody I've read about on here - name begins with a K...?
Anyway, one of the most unbelievable parts of her story is the way her foster-mother allegedly told her about her birth when she was only ten (I paraphrase):
Gianna: "Hey foster-mom, why do I have CP?"
Foster-mom: Well, honey, your real mom didn't want you, so when she was thirty weeks pregnant she went to an abortion clinic and paid to have you murdered. But Jesus was looking after you, so the filthy abortionist murderer couldn't kill you with his drugs. You were born alive, but Jesus made sure the abortionist wasn't there to strangle you, like they always do with aborted babies who won't die. But the stuff the abortionist injected you with burned you inside and out, and that gave you CP. But Jesus has plans for you and is already healing you!"
Both: "Praise Jeezus!"
 
Yup, pretty much as I thought. I've checked her on the web and she tells the same basic story over and over - she seems to have made a career out of speaking about her 'miraculous' life story at churches and rallies. Hmm, she reminds me of somebody I've read about on here - name begins with a K...?
Oh, spill the beans. It's Kaz and it's worth letting people in on. Especially since you are correct and it is similar to Kaz.

As to the subject of the thread, I don't buy her story. Though to be honest I'm reasonably certain that I heard her story before and I did buy it. I've come a long ways baby. Thanks Randi.
 
A friend of mine had fetal alcohol syndrome, /and/ mother had tried to abort him. As far as he was concerned, she could drop dead. I share his sentiment.

I was 2 mm long once. No twat-worshipper's going to tell me that I magically started existing at birth, and somehow wasn't real during gestation.
 

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