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Abortion Referendum

Strawberry

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On the 25th May voters in Ireland will go to the polls to decide whether or not to repeal the 8th Amendment to the Irish Constitution. The 8th Amendment is as follows...

"The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right."

If its repealed it will be replaced by legislation allowing for unlimited abortion in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy and from then on in only if the mother's health is at serious risk on the evidence of two doctors, or if there is a severe abnormality in the foetus.

What way would you vote?
 
In favor of killing more women of course. Nothing symbolizes christian love more perfectly than refusing to treat a woman who is dying. Got to let them know their place in the world.
 
ponderingturtle said:
In favor of killing more women of course. Nothing symbolizes christian love more perfectly than refusing to treat a woman who is dying. Got to let them know their place in the world.
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To be fair the 8th Amendment includes the right to life of the mother.
 
Strawberry said:
To be fair the 8th Amendment includes the right to life of the mother.
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Bah no one ever really pays attention to that BS. An abortion is an abortion. Women die all the time because doctors refuse to give them the abortion they need.
 
Strawberry said:
On the 25th May voters in Ireland will go to the polls to decide whether or not to repeal the 8th Amendment to the Irish Constitution. The 8th Amendment is as follows...
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How appropriate that a virtual theocracy should hold a referendum on Towel Day.
 
This is going to be a close one. With the SSM referendum at least some of the Catholic clergy backed it. I haven’t followed the campaign closely, but I don’t think this is the case with abortion.

Ireland is a conservative state at heart. There was another referendum in 2015 where the electorate overwhelmingly voted down an amendment to allow somebody from age 21 to run for President, down from the current 35. In most parts of the world I believe most people would have shrugged and passed it.

Hopefully this will be repealed, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
 
Strawberry said:
On the 25th May voters in Ireland will go to the polls to decide whether or not to repeal the 8th Amendment to the Irish Constitution. The 8th Amendment is as follows...

"The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right."

If its repealed it will be replaced by legislation allowing for unlimited abortion in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy and from then on in only if the mother's health is at serious risk on the evidence of two doctors, or if there is a severe abnormality in the foetus.

What way would you vote?
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Against, except for genuine medical reasons.
 
xjx388 said:
That's one you are going to have to back up.
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That is hard to do because in most cases it is about delays in care causing deaths that could easily have been prevented by doctors who would practice real medicine. Then of course there is the fun of unnecessary hysterectomies and other damage because performing an abortion even if the life of the mother is at risk and the fetus is dead is never acceptable so they have to do some unnecessary damage to make it all ok morally.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636458/

"Catholic-owned hospital ethics committees denied approval of uterine evacuation while fetal heart tones were still present, forcing physicians to delay care or transport miscarrying patients to non–Catholic-owned facilities. Some physicians intentionally violated protocol because they felt patient safety was compromised.

Although Catholic doctrine officially deems abortion permissible to preserve the life of the woman, Catholic-owned hospital ethics committees differ in their interpretation of how much health risk constitutes a threat to a woman's life and therefore how much risk must be present before they approve the intervention."

So some women do die from the catholic position because risks like that always equate to bodies on large scales. Hell we can estimate the number of deaths from using normal saline vs lactated ringers but saying an individual died isn't as possible.

But it is clear that women do die because of these policies. But who cares they are only women?
 
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