Abortion bill pass in Kentucky

[Aepervius]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/08/us/kentucky-abortion-bills-pass/index.html

Basically no abortion (unless life in danger) past 20 weeks, and forcing an examination to make the woman hear the heartbeat and see the embryo (although the law note the woman can "advert her eye" and ask the heartbeat sound to be muted).

Deplorable emotional manipulation on the side of lawmaker. They start in high gear. This is the type of law which is 100% about enforcing their own religious view onto other people and has zero other practical purpose.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Maybe we should let the red states be red states and ban abortion. Do their thing. Have their own minimum wage and such. Then we should have the feds stop taking money from the blue states while giving to the red states.

 

[Reheat]

Maybe we should let the red states be red states and ban abortion. Do their thing. Have their own minimum wage and such. Then we should have the feds stop taking money from the blue states while giving to the red states.

Hay, that's an excellent idea. While we're at it maybe the red states should stop the distribution of food to the blue states and also cut off the flow of oil and gas. Does that sound like a good exchange to you?

This is not strictly a religious issue it is a moral one, as well. The US was founded on Judea Christian principles and most of the Country still adheres to those principles. Some say either like it or leave, but that would not be nice to say here at all. States have the power and authority to do what they just did. End of story...

 

[Belz...]

Why 20 weeks? What's the rationale? I'd think viability (26 or 27 weeks) would be a nice cutoff point.

forcing an examination to make the woman hear the heartbeat and see the embryo

What a weird way to craft a law. Try to con the woman by manipulating her feelings in a moment of weakness, basically.

 

[marplots]

Why 20 weeks? What's the rationale? I'd think viability (26 or 27 weeks) would be a nice cutoff point.

And I'm curious as to how they know a fetus is 20 weeks and not, say, 20 weeks and three days. Is there some established scientific method? Presumably, the woman could lie about when her last period was, or when she did the nasty.

If you are going to prosecute someone based on some data point, the accuracy of that number would matter a great deal.

 

[Aepervius]

Hay, that's an excellent idea. While we're at it maybe the red states should stop the distribution of food to the blue states and also cut off the flow of oil and gas. Does that sound like a good exchange to you?

This is not strictly a religious issue it is a moral one, as well. The US was founded on Judea Christian principles and most of the Country still adheres to those principles. Some say either like it or leave, but that would not be nice to say here at all. States have the power and authority to do what they just did. End of story...

They do not distribute food. they sell it. And as in the western world we produce too much, it isn't as much a threat as you think it is. As for oil... Again I doubt it is given freely, but rather sold : it is private company which exploit it.

 

[Aepervius]

Why 20 weeks? What's the rationale? I'd think viability (26 or 27 weeks) would be a nice cutoff point.



What a weird way to craft a law. Try to con the woman by manipulating her feelings in a moment of weakness, basically.

The law has no other rational than manipulate women emotionally, and try force reduce abortion by leaving less time to react. That's it.

 

[Reheat]

They do not distribute food. they sell it. And as in the western world we produce too much, it isn't as much a threat as you think it is. As for oil... Again I doubt it is given freely, but rather sold : it is private company which exploit it.

The word distribute does not mean strictly that no one pays for the product. It has multiple definitions. Look it up and you'll see. All of that is very easily regulated anyway by a Republican controlled Congress and the over whelming majority of Republican Governors and Legislatures. Obviously it was hyperbole as were the original comments by Mr. Hyperbole himself. Don't worry, I was only countering hyperbole with hyperbole.

 

[marplots]

Here is the text of the bill (as of 1-6-2017): http://www.lrc.ky.gov/recorddocuments/bill/17RS/SB5/bill.pdf

They make much of the probable age of the fetus. As far as I can tell, there's a few weeks wiggle room.

 

[C_Felix]

We need more of this:

Women Fight Back: Ohio Bill Makes Erectile Dysfunction Her Business

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/28/ohio-erectile-dysfunction-business.html

 

[Donal]

Hay, that's an excellent idea.

Well, it is what the red states have been telling us they want for 30 years.

While we're at it maybe the red states should stop the distribution of food to the blue states and also cut off the flow of oil and gas. Does that sound like a good exchange to you?

Sell, you sell those. But hey, if you wan to cut even more revenue from the Reich...er Red States, thats on you. States like New York and California have their own agricultural industries and I'm sure Canada and Mexico will be happy to sell more goods here.

Of course, the difference here is, no one in NY or CA has claimed to never need things like food. Red Staters are constantly going on about the don't need the government and that welfare needs to get cut etc etc Why are you reacting negatively to getting what you want?

This is not strictly a religious issue it is a moral one, as well. The US was founded on Judea Christian principles and most of the Country still adheres to those principles.

So, its not religious, but is founded on religions?

And the US is in no way Christian. We're pro war, worship material wealth and condemn our vulnerable to die.

Besides, guys like Jefferson and Madison disagree with you.

Some say either like it or leave, but that would not be nice to say here at all. States have the power and authority to do what they just did. End of story...

Well, there is the Supremacy Clause. We'll see how that works out. Seems the GOP is suddenly real enthusiastic about it.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

This is the type of law which is 100% about enforcing their own religious view onto other people...

Very often the case, but I argue with the 100%.

An atheist can embrace a philosophy or world view that places value on the unborn, to the point of legislating reasonable restrictions on abortion, without invoking religion.

I am an atheist and a data point of one, but I doubt that I'm alone.

 

[surrogate]

Hay, that's an excellent idea. While we're at it maybe the red states should stop the distribution of food to the blue states and also cut off the flow of oil and gas. Does that sound like a good exchange to you?

Sounds great, and blue states can stop the distribution of CPUs/GPUs as well as smartphones to red states.

 

[Reheat]

Sounds great, and blue states can stop the distribution of CPUs/GPUs as well as smartphones to red states.

Hehehe. Do you really think that's a necessary commodity? Keep 'em and see what you gain in return.

 

[NoahFence]

 

[fuelair]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/08/us/kentucky-abortion-bills-pass/index.html

Basically no abortion (unless life in danger) past 20 weeks, and forcing an examination to make the woman hear the heartbeat and see the embryo (although the law note the woman can "advert her eye" and ask the heartbeat sound to be muted).

Deplorable emotional manipulation on the side of lawmaker. They start in high gear. This is the type of law which is 100% about enforcing their own religious view onto other people and has zero other practical purpose.

I believe snake *********** ******* sucking slime covers them and their ignorant and foul beliefs.

 

[plague311]

Hehehe. Do you really think that's a necessary commodity? Keep 'em and see what you gain in return.

Are you? Are you serious? You deny technology that much? You have absolutely no idea what the effect of not acquiring advances in technology would do to those states.

 

[bruto]

Maybe instead of thinking up tit for tat like petulant kids we should all grow up and act like rational civil adults in the 21'st cent....oh wait, never mind.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

This is not strictly a religious issue it is a moral one, as well.

Yes, the moral issue is the state imposing medically unnecessary procedures on a patient and restricting their choices in how to proceed with their own reproductive health.

The US was founded on Judea Christian principles

Funny, then, that the origin document contains proscriptions against imposing religious ideology on the entire nation (or any political subdivision thereof) through legislation.

and most of the Country still adheres to those principles.

Argumentum ad populum. We also have 'principles' like the majority cannot restrict the rights of others simply by virtue of being the majority.

Some say either like it or leave, but that would not be nice to say here at all.

It would also be another example of completely misrepresenting some of our 'principles', like the fact that one is free to have and espouse their own opinions and need not flee the country for doing so.

States have the power and authority to do what they just did. End of story...

No, states do not have the power or authority to violate a citizen's rights.

Please enroll yourself in a civics course at your local community college before embarrassing yourself further.

 

[TragicMonkey]

As far as "like it or leave it" goes, abortion is currently legal, so the people who don't like that are the ones who should leave. I'm sure there are plenty of First World nations that outlaw abortions, they could move to some of those.