Abolish prisons, says Angela Davis

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Abolish prisons, says Angela Davis
by Robyn Marshall
Angela Davis

Brisbane, Australia — African-American socialist Angela
Davis called for the abolition of all prisons during a public lecture
at the University of Queensland on Nov. 27.

[...]

In her lecture, attended by 150 people, Davis said there are now
2 million people incarcerated in U.S. prisons — 1 percent of the
U.S. population. In California alone, there are 33 prisons, 38
camps, 16 community correctional facilities and five tiny prisoner
mother facilities.

In 2002, there were 158,000 prisoners in the Californian prison
system, of whom 35 percent were Latinos, 30 percent were
African Americans and 29 percent were whites. Thirteen per cent
of inmates were being held for immigration violations. There are
now more women in prison in California than there were in
prison in the entire country in the early 1970s.

Davis recounted the history of the campaign to abolish prisons
in the U.S. In 1925, the first U.S. prison reformers said that
prisons should not be run by warders but by educators; prisons
would become a place for secondary schooling and even
university education. The first reformer was Thomas Osborn who
said prisons should be changed from being human "scrap
heaps" to human "repair shops."

Women are primarily incarcerated for drug offences (80 percent).
But, argued Davis, what can you say about a society where the
massive pharmaceutical industry makes billions of dollars,
pushing the taking of drugs on endless television
advertisements that claim that life will be magically better if you
take a particular drug?

These women can't afford those drugs so they are imprisoned
for stealing money to buy drugs, some of which are illegal.

The prison-industrial complex is much more than the sum of all
the prisons in the country. Davis described it as a set of
symbiotic relationships among correctional communities,
transnational corporations, media conglomerates, guards'
associations and legislative and court agendas.

Davis argued that prisons are considered so natural and so
normal that it is extremely hard to imagine life without them. She
argued that we must work to make prisons redundant by
creating a radically more democratic and socially just society
where retribution would no longer be seen as a means of
achieving justice.

Read the rest here:
http://sfbayview.com/121003/abolishprisons121003.shtml

I completely support this person on this issue. The prison system
in America must be reformed considerably, and ultimately done
away with.
 
crackmonkey said:
Thanks for the laugh, pal... sometimes this board does get a little too serious. :D

Thankfully I know enough about psychology to be offended by
your message.
 
Huzington said:

I completely support this person on this issue. The prison system
in America must be reformed considerably, and ultimately done
away with.

Ok, ok. So let's review your stance on America: It's an evil country whose leaders should be punished but by punished you mean let go since places where people get punished (prisons) should be done away with. Wow, sounds like perfect communist logic to me!
 
Huzington said:


Hm... let me think! This is a really tough one... uhm....how about...
let's see...REHABILITATION! :rolleyes:

And rehab wouldn't entail emprisonment?
 
Huzington, do you realize what a nutcase you sound like?

You have Lenin and Stalin in your avatar, who were two guys who caused mass amounts of people to experience misery. This raises questions about what you would do if you got into power.
 
Huzington said:


Hm... let me think! This is a really tough one... uhm....how about...
let's see...REHABILITATION! :rolleyes:

Well there goes justice and deterence.


"Hey better not rape or murder...or we'll rehabilitate you."

That would sure scare me if I ever wanted to rob, assault or murder someone.


Well maybe if it were Soviet style "rehabilitation".....
 
JAR said:
Huzington, do you realize what a nutcase you sound like?

You have Lenin and Stalin in your avatar, who were two guys who caused mass amounts of people to experience misery. This raises questions about what you would do if you got into power.

Stalin today:
http://www.mltranslations.org/Italy/Stalin.htm

"The gathering clouds of revolutionary storm bring to mind the teaching and practices of Stalin. The whole of Stalin's works, without exception, are an invaluable source from which communists, revolutionaries and patriots should take example.

"There is no field of social science to which Stalin has not contributed, to which he has not rigorously and scientifically applied Marxism-Leninism to hugely successful result.

"A study of Stalin's works confirm his status as a classical theoretician of Marxism, applying Marxism for decades along the then as yet undiscovered road to socialism and communism."

Discussions on Stalin:

http://elijahcraig.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=history&action=display&num=1065472646

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2310

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=13&topicdays=0&start=100

Here is a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist view of Comrade Stalin, his successes and failures, and his impact on the International Communist Movement:

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Bob Avakian on the Question of Stalin and "Stalinism"

[mod2=Upchurch]edited for copyright violation. See my post on page 2.[/mod2]
 
Huzington said:
[snip]
Stalin led the Soviet people in arduous and heroic struggle to defeat German imperialism, led by Hitler, in World War 2.[snip]
Stalin, like Hitler, was an imperialist. On August 23, 1939, the Soviet Union signed the Nazi-Soviet Pact. It was officially a non-aggression agreement, but it actually included secret terms that divided Poland and most of eastern Europe between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

Two weeks after the German army invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, Soviet troops crossed the eastern frontier of Poland and advanced to the point agreed upon in the Nazi-Soviet Pact. After strengthening its position in Poland, the Soviet Union attacked Estonia, Finland, Latvia, and Lithuania. I got this information from page 504-505 of the sections titled "Soviet Foreign Policy Between Wars" and "Territorial Expansion" of the section titled "History" of the article titled "Russia" from the "Q-R" volume of "The World Book Encyclopedia" copyrighted in 1962.
 
Huzington, Forum rules prohibit reposting of entire articles. Please reduce the amount of text you have posted from Bob Avakian's article and provide a link to the complete work.
 
Pyrrho said:
Huzington, Forum rules prohibit reposting of entire articles. Please reduce the amount of text you have posted from Bob Avakian's article and provide a link to the complete work.

FYI, I reported Huzzes counter revolutionary mis-appropriation of of the sweat of another worker's brow.

I really hate it when people report something and do not have the balls to say it. A basic personality flaw, methinks. Listening, Steve?
 
I'm certain I don't agree with the conclusions, that prisons should be abolished... but... I do agree that prison is often counterproductive for some offenders.

I also agree that the economics of the so-called "Prison-industrial complex" may serve to inhibit addressing the matter.
 
Most murderers, not of the serial kind, had one victim in mind and just wanted to kill them. They had no intent of going around and killing anyone else. So if we let everyone kill the person they want to kill we can assume they are rehabilitated because they can't kill the same person again. So we should never put people in jail for single killings and we can save society the cost of rehabilitation as well.

Hey, I don't agree with what I said, but it's the next step in abolishing prisons
 

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