A recent rape allegation against Trump.

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Yesterday, I happened to see an interview on CNN, with a well known reporter, (I believe it is for ELLE magazine), who is also promoting her new autobiographical book. In the book, she describes a horrific, painful rape she suffered by Trump, that happened a little over 20 years ago.

Then, I found the above article. I know, the reaction seems to be - 'So?', 'We already knew he was a pig'. However, I am still curious about opinions. Could there be some ripple-effect up the road? The book just came out. She came off intelligent, well spoken, and very believable.


Of course he denies it, saying that the woman isn't even his "type". And claims that he never met her. Though I believe there is a photo of them.

Thanks.
 
"Not my type," says the fellow who doesn't mind admitting there is indeed a type of woman he would rape.
 
d4m10n said:
"Not my type," says the fellow who doesn't mind admitting there is indeed a type of woman he would rape.
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Or the reaction of someone who thinks that, for him, there can be no such crime- that the only important thing is whether he wants something, and it's not possible to steal from someone who has no right to refuse him if he does.
 
Trump is simply amoral. I don't think that he believes he is doing anything wrong. So why does he lie about so many things if he doesn't know their wrong? Because he knows that others think those things are wrong and even illegal. His narcissism tells him that what he wants, he deserves.

I find it ironic that he claims that 'Mexico is sending us their rapists' when we have a president accused of rape and sexual assault himself. And I bet there are others out there who are afraid to come forward. They've seen what Trump does to those he goes after.
 
theprestige said:
Did you see her interview on CNN where she said she wouldn't call it rape, and said that she thinks most women find the idea of rape sexy?
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Nope and don't care. All we need for it to be true is the Pussy Grabber audio and the allegation. He's a rapist; end of story.
 
theprestige said:
Did you see her interview on CNN where she said she wouldn't call it rape, and said that she thinks most women find the idea of rape sexy?
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She might want to consult with a few women who actually have been raped before making that kind of generalisation.


theprestige said:
Too bad she didn't come forward before the audio was so widely published. Then her story might have more weight.
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Yeah, these things would only have weight if the accused was anyone other than Trump.


ETA:

Did I report it to the police?

No.

Did I tell anyone about it?

Yes. I told two close friends. The first, a journalist, magazine writer, correspondent on the TV morning shows, author of many books, etc., begged me to go to the police.
“He raped you,” she kept repeating when I called her. “He raped you. Go to the police! I’ll go with you. We’ll go together.”


My second friend is also a journalist, a New York anchorwoman. She grew very quiet when I told her, then she grasped both my hands in her own and said, “Tell no one. Forget it! He has 200 lawyers. He’ll bury you.” (Two decades later, both still remember the incident clearly and confirmed their accounts to New York.)
That's enough weight for me - two contemporaneous witnesses to her statement.

And legally, her statements to her friends could be construed as "excited utterances" which means their testimony would be valid as an exception to the hearsay rule. Of course, if this was not a 1st degree rape, 1st degree criminal sexual act or a 1st degree aggravated sexual abuse, then its not a class A felony and the statute of limitations has expired.
 
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theprestige said:
Too bad she didn't come forward before the audio was so widely published. Then her story might have more weight.
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Why should it matter?

Oh yeah, anything you can do to discredit the witness (no matter how ridiculous) is fine. We all know plenty of examples where accusers didn't speak out until one particular incident became public, and for good reason. The majority of rapes go unreported because women don't want to be put through the meat grinder by people like you. So they suck it up and 'move on', while the rapist becomes President of the United States.

I have no doubt that Trump is a rapist, not just because he's 'the type' but for the things he has said about women and how he treats them. If anything, those things make her 'story' even more believable.
 
Look this is going to have no more effect than Trump bragging about sexual assault and his other victims coming forward. No one who votes for him cares.
 
This story, which accuses the sitting president of forcible rape, is not getting much play in the media. It seems there is no interest in the many moral failings of Trump. Simply said, the poor moral character of the president is not newsworthy, everyone already knew that in the general sense.

I imagine some small portion of the Trump fanbase see him as some sort of infallible figure that could do no wrong. Many more see how as a means to an end and accept his many downsides as the cost of keeping the D's out of power.

For some, Trump's criminal deeds only reinforces their support for him. They idolize power, and the lack of consequences for blatant misdeeds only confirms that Trump is powerful. The president is (and has been in his prior life) above the laws and norms that govern the little people, and that's exactly what they want out of him. They do not deny that Trump has been wicked, but instead embrace wickedness without consequence as his, and vicariously their, right.
 
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turingtest said:
d4m10n said:
"Not my type," says the fellow who doesn't mind admitting there is indeed a type of woman he would rape.
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Or the reaction of someone who thinks that, for him, there can be no such crime- that the only important thing is whether he wants something, and it's not possible to steal from someone who has no right to refuse him if he does.
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That's the same thing, really. A rapist might use both excuses:
1) I obviously didn't do it since this particular woman doesn't appeal to me, i.e. she doesn't deserve to be raped by me. (Remember that the POTUS called Stormy Daniels 'Horseface' (Guardian).)
2) "Trump: I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Bush: Whatever you want.
Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything" (NYT)

The founding slaveowners must be so proud of this guy!
 
I read the interview. Most people not most women.
  • ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: So you don't feel like a victim?
  • E. JEAN CARROLL: I was not thrown on the ground and ravished. Which, the word "rape" carries so many sexual connotations. This was not sexual. It just, it hurt.
  • ANDERSON COOPER: I think most people think of rape as a violent assault. It is not sexual--
  • E. JEAN CARROLL: I think most people think of rape as being sexy.
  • ANDERSON COOPER: Let's take a short break.
  • E. JEAN CARROLL: Think of the fantasies.
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newyorkguy said:
I read the interview. Most people not most women.
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Carroll has a point. A lot of people (men as well as women) do have 'rape' fantasies as dann said. Think of Rhett Butler carrying a kicking and screaming Scarlett up the stairs to the bedroom. The next morning, she wakes up smiling and as content as a kitten who just lapped a bowl of milk thinking about the wonderful night she had with him. In the TV series Billions, Chuck is into masochism but he still has a 'safe word' whereby he maintains control. There's a common belief that women really want to be overpowered by a sexy man. The difference between these fantasies and reality is that in the fantasies control is still maintained by the woman. In real life, it is taken away from her.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
This story, which accuses the sitting president of forcible rape, is not getting much play in the media.
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Because it's a train wreck. The claim itself is unsubstantiated, the timing is suspect, the claimant exhibits bizarre behavior calling into question her reliability, and it turns out that the whole thing is suspiciously close to an episode of Law & Order SVU.

The press staying away from this story is actually pretty sensible.
 
Ziggurat said:
The claim itself is unsubstantiated...
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What sort of substantiation could one reasonably expect, if the sexual assault described by Ms. Carroll happened substantively as she described? A private encounter in a Bergdorf's dressing room doesn't seem likely to be caught on tape.
 
It seems that Ziggurat and theprestige are among that small group of people whose criteria for a credible accusation of rape requires....

1. An immediate report to the Police
2. A video and/or eyewitness to the rape
3. A positive sexual assault kit
4. DNA evidence
5. The alleged victim must be able to recount, without error or omission, the exact place and time of the alleged rape
6. The alleged victim must be able to recount, without error or omissions, every minute, excruciating detail of the rape.

If any of the above is not present, the victim is making it up

With the standards Ziggurat and theprestige are asking, Bill Cosby, Harvey Winestain and Rolf Harris would never have been brought to Justice.
 
d4m10n said:
What sort of substantiation could one reasonably expect, if the sexual assault described by Ms. Carroll happened substantively as she described?
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She claims she kept her dress from the incident (I wonder if it's blue?), which could contain forensic evidence, but said she wouldn't turn it over to police.

Look, I get that sometimes actual rape won't have corroborating evidence. But that doesn't mean that the press should run with any and all rape accusations. It should take more than that to turn an accusation into a national news story. And not only is there no collaboration, but there are a bunch of red flags. That completely justifies the press not running with the story. It's one thing if reporters want to dig into it to see if they can find any corroboration (and maybe they are doing that), but it would be irresponsible to keep touting the accusation as it stands now. It's also very dangerous to their own reputation to push a story which could so obviously blow up in their face.
 
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