A proposed demand list from Occupy Wall Street

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http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

The first suggestion is crazy. Free trade is a force for good, and it seems a bit inconsistent to oppose it while simultaneously favoring free immigration. And a minimum wage at 20 dollars an hour is insane! Lots of young people who have extra jobs beside their schools - in many cases the first merits on their CVs - would lose them.

I'm also skeptical about #2. Although I'm fully in favor of universal healthcare for all, I don't think private healthcare should be prohibitted. If you want to pay for private healthcare (for whatever reason, maybe the universal healthcare wont perform it), then you should be free to do so. As long as everyone is guaranteed healthcare, what's the problem?

#3 could also be a bit crazy. Say that you are a student working some extra hours from time to time, it is unreasonable to demand that the money should amount to a living wage (however that is defined). Or if I pay the neighbour's boy to cut my grass from time to time, is it reasonable that I should pay him a living wage?

It's sad that when there is a prospect for making the US a better place, it is screwed up by asinine suggestions like these.

Many of the rest are about internal American issues I can't comment on. I don't know if the environment in the US is particularly bad as to motivate the suggested investment, for instance. Free college education is a very good idea though, and will very likely be a good investment.
 
8 is good. 6 and 7 are possibly the worst ideas I've ever seen. 2 will probably not happen. The rest is whining.
 
A list of demands so ridiculous, so preposterous, and so counter-productive that even the corrupt labor unions trying to jump on the bandwagon would not accept most of them.

And . . . wait a minute. . . shouldn't the protestors have actually come up with a list of demands before they actually protested something? I guess they are just out there for the sheer joy of it.
 
#11 is definitely the craziest. Why should those of us who rent and live debt free bail out the profligate spenders who maxed out their credit cards and speculated on the housing bubble? Even if we went through with it, it would pretty much guarantee that there would be no credit available to anyone because no banks would be willing to take on the risk.
 
ravdin said:
#11 is definitely the craziest. Why should those of us who rent and live debt free bail out the profligate spenders who maxed out their credit cards and speculated on the housing bubble? Even if we went through with it, it would pretty much guarantee that there would be no credit available to anyone because no banks would be willing to take on the risk.
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Such lunacy would destroy the world economy. This list is largely nonsense.
 
Humes fork said:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

The first suggestion is crazy. Free trade is a force for good,
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Debatable. The problem is that it creates a race to the bottem for all but the most specialist or geographicaly locked labour. And when the bottem is a north korean citizen this is a problem.


and it seems a bit inconsistent to oppose it while simultaneously favoring free immigration. And a minimum wage at 20 dollars an hour is insane! Lots of young people who have extra jobs beside their schools - in many cases the first merits on their CVs - would lose them.
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Not these days. Too many adults competing for the same jobs.

I'm also skeptical about #2. Although I'm fully in favor of universal healthcare for all, I don't think private healthcare should be prohibitted. If you want to pay for private healthcare (for whatever reason, maybe the universal healthcare wont perform it), then you should be free to do so. As long as everyone is guaranteed healthcare, what's the problem?
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The main problem is that private insurers end up dumping their mistakes on the goverment. Still the likes of BUPA are not a problem per se.

#3 could also be a bit crazy. Say that you are a student working some extra hours from time to time, it is unreasonable to demand that the money should amount to a living wage (however that is defined). Or if I pay the neighbour's boy to cut my grass from time to time, is it reasonable that I should pay him a living wage?
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That's probably a reference to the universal unearned wage concept.

It's sad that when there is a prospect for making the US a better place, it is screwed up by asinine suggestions like these.
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It might be but there is no such prospect.

Free college education is a very good idea though, and will very likely be a good investment.
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Very bad idea. Results in a bunch of very smart young people in the same place who have no particualar reason to get locked straigt into capitalism. Results in too many political issues.
 
ravdin said:
#11 is definitely the craziest. Why should those of us who rent and live debt free bail out the profligate spenders who maxed out their credit cards and speculated on the housing bubble?
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We already have.

Even if we went through with it, it would pretty much guarantee that there would be no credit available to anyone because no banks would be willing to take on the risk.
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I'm not sure banks would be a relivant model in the imediate aftermath of any such senario. However if history is any guide money lending istitutions would reappear within a few years. Well I say money I'm not sure what would pass for currency by that point.
 
This thing is either left-wing astroturf or it's going to turn into Tiananmen Square on a national level.
 
daenku32 said:
Open borders for migration is quite libertarian though.
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But not likely to result in higher wages in the US. Quite the opposite.

Combined with the $20/hr minimum wage and elimination of free trade we'll have an 85% unemployment rate.
 
WildCat said:
But not likely to result in higher wages in the US. Quite the opposite.

Combined with the $20/hr minimum wage and elimination of free trade we'll have an 85% unemployment rate.
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The list as a whole is so different from current I couldn't really tell what it'd be like.
 
Could someone give me a heads-up on when that debt forgiveness is going to happen? I'd like to make a trip to the Apple Store first.
 
Ray Brady said:
Could someone give me a heads-up on when that debt forgiveness is going to happen? I'd like to make a trip to the Apple Store first.
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Why stop there? Go buy yourself a seven bedroom McMansion with an adjustable rate loan. Make sure you get the kitchen redone, too!
 
From that same page:

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.
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Where's "skeptical" looking for the evidence thing I keep hearing so much about?
 
"Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands."

Translation: We can't come up with any demands other than crazy ones?

ETA: Note to self, don't go looking for crisps when you've got a post in progress.
 
bookitty said:
From that same page:



Where's "skeptical" looking for the evidence thing I keep hearing so much about?
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Orphia Nay said:
"Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands."

Translation: We can't come up with any demands other than crazy ones?

ETA: Note to self, don't go looking for crisps when you've got a post in progress.
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To me, that admin note at the top is the most tragicomic part of the whole thing. Between this list of crazy demands and the fact that the "collective" doesn't have any official demands at all.
 
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