A little jailhouse justice

So we are priaisng the beating up of "suspects" in prison now?
Way to go.
 
demon wrote:
So we are priaisng the beating up of "suspects" in prison now?
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Are you on drugs or something? I reported on an event. If you are referring to the title of the thread, somehow making a tortuous leap to the conclusion that it constitutes "praise" of the inmates, I have to inform you that "jailhouse justice" is nothing more than a euphemism for punishment meted out to inmates by other inmates.

Chaos wrote:

Anyone who calls what happened "justice" certainly is.
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That is a rather rash statement to make. While it may in fact be an injustice that he was beaten if he is innocent, it could hardly be called unjust if he is guilty of the charges. I will however agree that it should not have been permitted to happen and was a most uncivilized action. But then, what else would one expect of convicts?

Why, I wonder, are you two so quick and eager to jump to the victim's defense when the only indication of an opinion thus far on this thread was one of indifference? Got a little jihadist in you perhaps?
 
David Carroll said:
If you are referring to the title of the thread, somehow making a tortuous leap to the conclusion that it constitutes "praise" of the inmates, I have to inform you that "jailhouse justice" is nothing more than a euphemism for punishment meted out to inmates by other inmates.
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So taking a phrase literally is now "tortuous"? Had you wished to use the term ironically, quotes around it would have been appropriate.

That is a rather rash statement to make. While it may in fact be an injustice that he was beaten if he is innocent, it could hardly be called unjust if he is guilty of the charges.
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So not only is it rash to consider the possibility that he was innocent, but you are not willing to even entertain the notion that there is something wrong with beating up suspects, even guilty ones?

But then, what else would one expect of convicts?
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You're right. Anyone convicted of a crime is a subhuman, and we cannot expect anything of them.
:rolleyes:

Why, I wonder, are you two so quick and eager to jump to the victim's defense when the only indication of an opinion thus far on this thread was one of indifference? Got a little jihadist in you perhaps?
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Did it occur to you that perhaps they are not defending the individual, but the concept of justice? "Indifference" is hardly the only opinion expressed. Your title implied approval, as did CS's violin. But of course anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist.
:rolleyes:
 
Art Vandelay:
"Did it occur to you that perhaps they are not defending the individual, but the concept of justice? "Indifference" is hardly the only opinion expressed. Your title implied approval, as did CS's violin. But of course anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist."

Glad you mentioned "indifference".
I agree with you that it is not the only opinion expressed but then again, I think "indifference" is every bit as bad as approval in these sort of cases.
If we are "indifferent" to this then what`s next?
 
So taking a phrase literally is now "tortuous"? Had you wished to use the term ironically, quotes around it would have been appropriate.
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No, reading something into a phrase that is patently not there is the tortuous leap.

So not only is it rash to consider the possibility that he was innocent, but you are not willing to even entertain the notion that there is something wrong with beating up suspects, even guilty ones?
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Do you even read these posts or is it a general reading comprehension deficit?

You're right. Anyone convicted of a crime is a subhuman, and we cannot expect anything of them.
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Did I say anyone convicted of a crime or did I say convicts as a group?
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Did it occur to you that perhaps they are not defending the individual, but the concept of justice? "Indifference" is hardly the only opinion expressed. Your title implied approval, as did CS's violin. But of course anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist.
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A) No. And it still doesn't because that is not the case. I must say it is quite noble of you to embarass yourself in their defense.

B) False and disingenuous of you. The title implied nothing. That you lot inferred something from it speaks more of your biases than my intent. CS's little violin expresses only a lack of sympathy, which is not the same thing as approval. Hands clapping, beer hoisted, etc. would be examples of approval. Nice try though.

C) Putting words into my mouth doesn't make your argument any more cogent.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Did it occur to you that perhaps they are not defending the individual, but the concept of justice? "Indifference" is hardly the only opinion expressed. Your title implied approval, as did CS's violin. But of course anyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist.
:rolleyes:
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:v:
 
Is the problem they just beat him up instead of following the correct Jihad requirement of sawing his head off? Give the inmates a break, it’s not like there are saws everywhere in a prison. :rolleyes: :D :clap:
 
David Carroll said:
See? Now that is definite approval.
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I don't know, it could be interpreted as disapproval that they didn't cut the heads off as a propper Islamist would.

Terrorism, after all, does disrespect Islam.
 
David Carroll said:
demon wrote:


Are you on drugs or something? I reported on an event. If you are referring to the title of the thread, somehow making a tortuous leap to the conclusion that it constitutes "praise" of the inmates, I have to inform you that "jailhouse justice" is nothing more than a euphemism for punishment meted out to inmates by other inmates.

Chaos wrote:



That is a rather rash statement to make. While it may in fact be an injustice that he was beaten if he is innocent, it could hardly be called unjust if he is guilty of the charges. I will however agree that it should not have been permitted to happen and was a most uncivilized action. But then, what else would one expect of convicts?

Why, I wonder, are you two so quick and eager to jump to the victim's defense when the only indication of an opinion thus far on this thread was one of indifference? Got a little jihadist in you perhaps?
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Even the US follows the principle "innocent until proven guilty" - well, at least they should follow it. My point is, until he´s been found guilty in due process, he´s to be considered innocent. That means that, technically speaking at least, an innocent person has been beaten up.
 
David Carroll said:
Why, I wonder, are you two so quick and eager to jump to the victim's defense when the only indication of an opinion thus far on this thread was one of indifference? Got a little jihadist in you perhaps?
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I think it has more to do with this: "suspected al-Qaida cell leader".

This guy has never been formally charged of a crime, and has never been found guilty.

Why has he been in prison for the past 3.5 years? Why is he still in prison? Guantanamo, Spanish style?
 
I think it has more to do with this: "suspected al-Qaida cell leader".

This guy has never been formally charged of a crime
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How do you figure that?

Yarkas and two other men of Syrian origin went on trial in late April in Madrid on charges of using Spain as a staging ground to help plot the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Twenty-one other Muslims in the same trial, mainly Syrians and Moroccans, faced lesser charges of terrorism and other offenses. The trial concluded July 5 and a verdict was expected in September.
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Looks like we'll find out in a couple of months whether or not he is found guilty.
 
Chaos said:
Even the US follows the principle "innocent until proven guilty" - well, at least they should follow it. My point is, until he´s been found guilty in due process, he´s to be considered innocent. That means that, technically speaking at least, an innocent person has been beaten up.
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Even the US, huh?

Looking around at all the Gulags and concentrations camps that have sprouted up in my neighborhood and thinking of all the friends and neighbors that have vanished without warning or explanation, it's easy to forget we once had principles.

Thanks for the reminder, Chaos. :rolleyes:
 
Was anyone here upset when Dahmer got beaten to death w/ a broom in a Wisconsin prison?

What is "justice" for someone who has killed dozens of people, as in Spain? I don't think any punishment can properly fit such crimes.
 
Wildcat:
"What is "justice" for someone who has killed dozens of people, as in Spain? I don't think any punishment can properly fit such crimes."

That`s as maybe, but are you saying the guy at the center of this thread is guilty already? Without him having a trial?
I took your post to mean just that ie the "someone" you mention being Yarkas.

It`s just the way I read your post, maybe I`m wrong.
 
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