A device called Cyclical gravity greenhouse liquid capillary action energy generator

[netwebresearchR]

I have a new idea for an invention. It is a cyclical gravity greenhouse liquid capillary action energy generator. The idea is the device uses the same ammount of liquid over and over again due to evaporaton, condensation and capillary acton to generate electricity. It works like an oil wick using water excpet the energyu is genearted as at the vapour turns to liquid, .
The device consists of a liquid chamber, an evaporation chamber, capillary action sheets, condensation collectors, turbines, and liquid.
The capillary acton sheets draw liquid up from the liquid chamber into the evaporation chamber at normal temperatures. then the tip of the capillary action sheets in the evaporation chamber are heated to a temperature where they will evaporate the liquid. As liquid evaporates from the sheets, The capillary actiopn sheets draw more liquid from the liquid cham,ber to replace the liquid lost. The liquid is drawn natrually upwards due to capillary action like in an oil wick. When the liquid evaporates from the capillary action sheets it enters the evaporation cvhamber. The evaporation chamber is of normal tempertures. It is not the evaporation chamber that causes evaporation, it is the capillary action sheets. The evaporation chamber is of low temperatures to encourage condensation. Only The capillary actiopn sheets need to be heated. Then teh condensatyion falls into condensation collectors, and is used to power turbines before falling back into the liquid chamber. So the same liquid is recycled.
This is a new invention. Just becayse it uses capillary action that does not make it the same as a solar sill, or paper.
They key is capillary action lifting liquid up for free.
The only heating required is on the ti[ of the capillary action sheets, which can be done by heaters or by solar rays or any other device.
When calculations are made for this device remember it is not a solar heater. Capillary action is key to this device.
Tghis deviceis consistent, Other froms of renewmable nergy are incosnsitent because solar energy stops working ibn times of night, high cloud cover, pollution to sky. Wind power stops working at extreme wind speeds and low or no wind speeds. Hydro stops working in droughts, or when river levels control issues restrict use of hydro power.
This device can power itself.
By the energy gained from dropping the liquid being used to evaporate the liquid. Or can be heated using other heating systems.
Key for diagram in other section is.
1 Evaporation Chamber
2 Condensation collecoter
3, 4, 6 Capillary action sheets.
5 Turbine
7 Liquid
8 Liquid Chamber
This is my invention i i hold all the rights

 

[Pragmatist]

I have a new idea for an invention.

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This is my invention i i hold all the rights

So why post this here? We're not the patents office you know?

Or were you waiting for someone to tell you that there's no such thing as a free lunch?

 

[Psiload]

netwebresearchR posted:

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Then teh condensatyion falls into condensation collectors, and is used to power turbines before falling back into the liquid chamber.

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So is the turbine the size of a soda can, or are the capillary action sheets the size of Mt. Everest?

 

[Psi Baba]

So go ahead and build it and let us know how it works out. We'll be here.

 

[MESchlum]

They key is capillary action lifting liquid up for free.
The only heating required is on the ti[ of the capillary action sheets, which can be done by heaters or by solar rays or any other device.

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This device can power itself.

So you heat it using outside sources (heaters, solar rays), but it powers itself?

[shakes head sadly]

 

[MRC_Hans]

OK, your idea is that the heat added for evaporation is the same as the heat you get back in condensation, so the energy is derived from having the water lifted by capillary action.

I think you will find the process to be prohibitively lossy, but theoretically, this should work. So, the question is: Where does capillary action get energy from?

As capillary action lifts fluid against gravity, it needs an energy source, because as Pragmatist remarked, there is no free lunch. I am not shure what this energy source is, but I have a hunch:

As the fluid column is lifted, the pressure within it falls (you cannot lift a column of water more than appr 10 meters by cappilary action, or other kinds of suction). Since the partial pressure of the fluid surface (in the opening of the cappillary tubes) is now below the pressure of the surrounding air, you will need extra energy to evaporate it. Thus the energy needed for eavporation will be higher than the nergy you can recover on condensation.

Your energy account will be zero minus any losses.

Sorry.

Hans

 

[Rob Lister]

I have a new idea for an invention. It is a cyclical gravity greenhouse liquid capillary action energy generator.

You are making this far too complicated. Let me simplify it for you.

Edit to add (because you seem like a nice, yet misguided, person): The energy obtained through the falling liquid would be, in a perfect world, exactly enough to power the evaporation. In the real world, it would be less than enough. It's that dang thermodynamics law getting in the way again. Therefore you would need an external source of energy to maintain the cycle.

If congress would just repeal those dang thermodynamic laws then we'd have all the free energy we wanted!

 

[jmercer]

I think he posted this in the Million Dollar Challenge forum, too...

 

[NarrMaster]

Dang it Rob, you beat me to the Drinking Bird reference.


Touche!

 

[AOK Tiger]

I think Hans said. most of it.

Capillary action is VERY limited in its lifting power.
AS the volume going up increases the pressure changes will cause the water to stop flowing up after a VERY limited distance.
The Heat source required is likely to equal the power gained.
If heated by solar power it is limited to when the sun shines.

It’s a similar power machine to a simple solar still (regardless of what he says).

 

[IXP]

I am not a physicist but I played on TV, so here goes:

The lifting power of a capillary comes from attraction between the water molecules and those in the capillary tube. This new force must be overcome to evaporate the water from the top of the capillary, so you have added to the already high energy required to evaporate, an amount of energy equal to the gravitational potential energy gained in the water rising. Another way to look at it is that when you pull a molecule off the top of the capillary to evaporate it, you are effectively pulling up a chain of molecules below, thus the added energy needed to evaporate.

Also, since the heat of evaporation and the additional energy of extracting it from the capillary must go into kinetic energy of the vapor, when it condenses it will give up this energy to the walls of the condensing chamber, heating it up. So, to keep this thing going you will also have to cool the condensing chamber, or it becomes too hot to condense anything. The losses are bound to be very high, so the falling water will not even approach recovering of the energy used to evaporate it.

While I am at it, why use the capillaries at all? Just boil the water at the bottom of the chamber and let it rise due to convection. I suspect this would have less loss than the capillary system, but of course, would come nowhere near producing enough energy to keep the boiler going.

 

[MRC_Hans]

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While I am at it, why use the capillaries at all? Just boil the water at the bottom of the chamber and let it rise due to convection. I suspect this would have less loss than the capillary system, but of course, would come nowhere near producing enough energy to keep the boiler going.

Same problem, really. As the steam rises, it expands and cools.

The free lunch remains forever out of reach.

Hans